From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: CRC in Ada?
Date: 1997/03/05
Date: 1997-03-05T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1997Mar5.131846.1@eisner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E6Kxux.FL9@world.std.com
In article <E6Kxux.FL9@world.std.com>, bobduff@world.std.com (Robert A Duff) writes:
> In article <1997Mar5.083233.1@eisner>,
> Larry Kilgallen <kilgallen@eisner.decus.org> wrote:
>>For Ada, I would guess that implementors have not counted on
>>people using C-like programming constructs (vs. doing large
>>buffer reads as suggested earlier in this thread).
>>
>>It is certainly possible to build an Ada environment optimized for
>>single-character reads, but that would not seem to be a priority
>>for most Ada compiler customers.
>
> I think I disagree. Buffering should be the job of the OS and/or
> standard libraries. Not every program.
While theoretical computing and Alan Turing may be centered on
the equivalence and correctness of programs, in the real world
performance is also a consideration. Just as those using intense
computation will be concerned about the efficiency of their
algorithms, those accessing large databases will take care
regarding order-of-access so as not to go skipping over the
whole thing when some locality-of-reference would yield better
performance. Those reading sequentially from disk should
likewise concern themselves with performance, and 512 calls
to even the lightest-weight library is too much if a single
call would do. For the stated problem (CRC) reading large
blocks is a clear win.
> I'm not sure why reading a file character-by-character is "C-like".
> It seems like the natural way to write lots of programs, in any
> language. The underlying language and OS should ensure that it can be
> done efficiently (by making the "give-me-a-char" routine read from a
> buffer whenever appropriate).
In my experience it is generally C programmers who make this mistake.
Perhaps it because many of them come from a Unix background where there
is no strong sense of a "record". On the other hand, it may just be
that there are so many C programmers that statistically speaking most
of the mistakes made will be made by a C programmer.
Larry Kilgallen
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1997-03-02 0:00 CRC in Ada? Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-03 0:00 ` David Brown
1997-03-03 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-04 0:00 ` David L Brown
1997-03-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-05 0:00 ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-05 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen [this message]
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Tom Moran
[not found] ` <1997Mar7.202252.1@eisner>
1997-03-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-09 0:00 ` Geert Bosch
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Mats Weber
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-09 0:00 ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Tarjei Jensen
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10 0:00 ` David Brown
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Mark & Zurima McKinney
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-03-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-15 0:00 ` Dr. John B. Matthews
1997-03-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-08 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-03-14 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Graham Hughes
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-08 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-14 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-03-07 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-07 0:00 ` David Brown
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-03-10 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-11 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Jim Balter
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-12 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-03-04 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-03-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-04 0:00 ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-05 0:00 ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-15 0:00 ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-16 0:00 ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-18 0:00 ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-20 0:00 ` Michael & Amy Hartsough
1997-03-22 0:00 ` Mark & Zurima McKinney
1997-03-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-24 0:00 ` Sequential IO on OpenVMS (was: CRC in Ada?) Ken Garlington
1997-03-24 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-21 0:00 ` CRC in Ada? Tom Moran
1997-03-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-23 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-24 0:00 ` Portable Code (was: CRC in Ada?) Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-24 0:00 ` CRC in Ada? Robert A Duff
1997-03-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-24 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-24 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-03-24 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-03-25 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-01 0:00 ` David Emery
1997-03-04 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-03-04 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-04 0:00 ` Stephen Garriga
1997-03-07 0:00 ` John Apa
1997-03-05 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1997-03-05 0:00 ` Laurent Pautet
1997-03-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-03-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-14 0:00 ` Joakim Olsson
1997-03-14 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-03-15 0:00 ` Tom Moran
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