* Re: Ada-compiler for Macintosh?
1996-11-04 0:00 ` Bob Collins
@ 1996-11-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-11-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-06 0:00 ` Greg Bond
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Larry Kilgallen @ 1996-11-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <collins-0411960921020001@ratbert.cs.wm.edu>, collins@cs.wm.edu (Bob Collins) writes:
> In article <199610271435.a199@k2.maus.de>, Odo_Wolbers@k2.maus.de (Odo
> Wolbers) wrote:
>
>> does anybody know about Ada-compilers for Macintosh, especially
>> PowerMacintosh?
>
> I'm really disappointed that Intermetrics decided not to
> build a Macintosh Ada compiler. Most Macintosh users do
> not consider an Ada compiler running in Unix on top of the
> MacOS to be a "Macintosh" Ada compiler. If a Macintosh user
> wanted Unix, why not buy a PC and install Linux?
If Intermetrics was just on the edge and had decided to go
ahead with a Macintosh compiler there is no certainty they
would have achieved the degree of IDE smoothness Macintosh
afficianados have come to expect. Even Metrowerks has not
been able to achieve the degree of integration displayed
by Think Pascal.
I think it better to concentrate on what you want rather
than who you want it from, lest your favorite vendor give
you something substandard.
Larry Kilgallen
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1996-11-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
@ 1996-11-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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From: Robert Dewar @ 1996-11-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
Larry says
"If Intermetrics was just on the edge and had decided to go
ahead with a Macintosh compiler there is no certainty they
would have achieved the degree of IDE smoothness Macintosh
afficianados have come to expect. Even Metrowerks has not
been able to achieve the degree of integration displayed
by Think Pascal."
In fact there are many different constituencies here. So far the only
interested customers we have in the Mac port are interested precisely
BECAUSE it has a similar interface, and allows them to build System 7
compatible applications.
I quite realize that there are those who want something else. So far
our judgment is that there is an insufficiently large market to justify
trying to satisfy the "give-us-an-integrated-mac-like-ide" desire.
I think you could argue that the original intent of the academic contract
was to generate a much more smoothly integrated version (that is certainly
what Mike's bid on this contract had in mind), but anyway, given the
contract modification that occurred, that is water under the bridge in
any case.
Right now, I very much doubt you will see any major new ada devlopment
effort on the Mac, so the best bets are
(a) to use the Intermetrics Java system
(b) to develop shells around the Machten implementation that make it look
more like what you want.
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* Re: Ada-compiler for Macintosh?
1996-11-04 0:00 ` Bob Collins
1996-11-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
@ 1996-11-06 0:00 ` Greg Bond
1996-11-07 0:00 ` G SINGH POONIA
1996-11-07 0:00 ` Dr. John B. Matthews
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From: Greg Bond @ 1996-11-06 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
Bob Collins wrote:
>
> In article <199610271435.a199@k2.maus.de>, Odo_Wolbers@k2.maus.de (Odo
> Wolbers) wrote:
>
> > does anybody know about Ada-compilers for Macintosh, especially
> > PowerMacintosh?
>
> I'm really disappointed that Intermetrics decided not to
> build a Macintosh Ada compiler. Most Macintosh users do
> not consider an Ada compiler running in Unix on top of the
> MacOS to be a "Macintosh" Ada compiler. If a Macintosh user
> wanted Unix, why not buy a PC and install Linux?
<snip>
Because a PC running Linux couldn't run Mac applications side-by-side
with Unix. Tenon's Unix for the Mac runs as a Mac application, so you
can run other Mac apps at the same time as you are, say, devloping GNAT
apps (with BBEdit or Alpha as your text editor if you wish).
Furthermore,since Tenon's Unix permits the development of hybrid
Unix/MacOS apps, I fully expect to see more Mac-like front-ends being
developed for the Unix development tools (not that anything's likely to
supercede emacs...).
--
* Greg Bond * Dept. of Electrical Eng.
* email: bond@ee.ubc.ca * Univ. of British Columbia
* voice: (604) 822 0899 * 2356 Main Mall
* fax: (604) 822 5949 * Vancouver, BC
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* Re: Ada-compiler for Macintosh?
1996-11-04 0:00 ` Bob Collins
1996-11-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-11-06 0:00 ` Greg Bond
@ 1996-11-07 0:00 ` G SINGH POONIA
1996-11-07 0:00 ` Dr. John B. Matthews
3 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: G SINGH POONIA @ 1996-11-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bob Collins
I entirely agree, can I also add that Ada is a load of B*******
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== FROM Paul ==
== ==
== HAVE A NICE DAY, FEEL FREE TO SEND ANY ABUSE. ==
== ==
== IF YOUR NAMES ALI THEN DONT BOTHER ==
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* Re: Ada-compiler for Macintosh?
1996-11-04 0:00 ` Bob Collins
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
1996-11-07 0:00 ` G SINGH POONIA
@ 1996-11-07 0:00 ` Dr. John B. Matthews
3 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Dr. John B. Matthews @ 1996-11-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <collins-0411960921020001@ratbert.cs.wm.edu>, collins@cs.wm.edu (Bob Collins) writes:
> I'm really disappointed that Intermetrics decided not to
> build a Macintosh Ada compiler.
Me too! But Applet Magic shows promise. And an MPW tool or
Metrowerks drop-in is not forbidden.
> Most Macintosh users do
> not consider an Ada compiler running in Unix on top of the
> MacOS to be a "Macintosh" Ada compiler. If a Macintosh user
> wanted Unix, why not buy a PC and install Linux?
'Cause then you lose MacOS, something dear to "most Macintosh
users." MachTen is a very well bahaved Mac application, with a
command line interface that complements the desktop experience. Like
MPW, the code you build with the MachTen tools is every bit a
stand-alone Mac application.
John
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