* Sanity breaks out at last
@ 1996-07-26 0:00 ntxbow
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
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From: ntxbow @ 1996-07-26 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
we're finally thinking of giving Intel processors the heave ho.
Does anyone know of Ada compilers for non-intel embedded evironments, ie
motorola and ARM processors?
I've used the XD ada compiler on 68000s before now but it's very pricey.
--
ntxbow
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* Re: Sanity breaks out at last
1996-07-26 0:00 Sanity breaks out at last ntxbow
@ 1996-07-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-07-29 0:00 ` William W Pritchett
1996-07-29 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-08-05 0:00 ` ntxbow
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From: Larry Kilgallen @ 1996-07-29 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <BdceaIANXM+xEwtR@ntxbow.demon.co.uk>, ntxbow <ntxbow@ntxbow.demon.co.uk> writes:
> we're finally thinking of giving Intel processors the heave ho.
>
> Does anyone know of Ada compilers for non-intel embedded evironments, ie
> motorola and ARM processors?
>
> I've used the XD ada compiler on 68000s before now but it's very pricey.
Does everybody need the XD Ada compiler ?
I would think one of the benefits of Ada would be that coding could
be done on any platform, along with a lot of the testing.
Larry Kilgallen
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* Re: Sanity breaks out at last
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
@ 1996-07-29 0:00 ` William W Pritchett
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From: William W Pritchett @ 1996-07-29 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
Check out Green Hills, Tartan, Rational, Thomson and/or DDC-I. They all target the 68K family.
Larry Kilgallen (kilgallen@eisner.decus.org) wrote:
: In article <BdceaIANXM+xEwtR@ntxbow.demon.co.uk>, ntxbow <ntxbow@ntxbow.demon.co.uk> writes:
: > we're finally thinking of giving Intel processors the heave ho.
: >
: > Does anyone know of Ada compilers for non-intel embedded evironments, ie
: > motorola and ARM processors?
: >
: > I've used the XD ada compiler on 68000s before now but it's very pricey.
: Does everybody need the XD Ada compiler ?
: I would think one of the benefits of Ada would be that coding could
: be done on any platform, along with a lot of the testing.
: Larry Kilgallen
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* Re: Sanity breaks out at last
1996-07-26 0:00 Sanity breaks out at last ntxbow
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
@ 1996-07-29 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-08-05 0:00 ` ntxbow
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From: whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting) @ 1996-07-29 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <BdceaIANXM+xEwtR@ntxbow.demon.co.uk>, ntxbow <ntxbow@ntxbow.demon.co.uk> writes:
> we're finally thinking of giving Intel processors the heave ho.
>
May I ask why? We're just beginning to think of using Intel processors given
the wealth of s/w (OS and application) that runs on them.
Matt
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* Re: Sanity breaks out at last
1996-07-26 0:00 Sanity breaks out at last ntxbow
1996-07-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-07-29 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
@ 1996-08-05 0:00 ` ntxbow
1996-08-07 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
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From: ntxbow @ 1996-08-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <1996Jul29.132621.1@corning.com>, "whiting_ms@corning.com
(Matt Whiting)" <whiting_ms@corning.com> writes
>In article <BdceaIANXM+xEwtR@ntxbow.demon.co.uk>, ntxbow
><ntxbow@ntxbow.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> we're finally thinking of giving Intel processors the heave ho.
>>
>May I ask why? We're just beginning to think of using Intel processors given
>the wealth of s/w (OS and application) that runs on them.
>
>Matt
because compared to the 68ks they're painful, hardware design is a pain
in the neck, we have to frequently use assembler which in intel is just
another pain non-orthogonal, too many leap-branch-if-you're-called-fred
instructions that just don't need to be there, I know I dont have to use
the CISC aspects but they bug me anyway, stupid segemented memory
architecture, which no doubt people will say I don't have to use, but
I've worked on various projects dating back 10+ years, I've had to
believe me. I've yet to meet someone who's used the two families and
prefers Intel. Quantity of tools for the Intel family also does not
imply quality, there's a lot of dross out there.
--
jeff farr
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* Re: Sanity breaks out at last
1996-08-05 0:00 ` ntxbow
@ 1996-08-07 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
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From: whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting) @ 1996-08-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
In article <iNh0PHAF$aByEw9b@ntxbow.demon.co.uk>, ntxbow <ntxbow@ntxbow.demon.co.uk> writes:
> In article <1996Jul29.132621.1@corning.com>, "whiting_ms@corning.com
> (Matt Whiting)" <whiting_ms@corning.com> writes
>>In article <BdceaIANXM+xEwtR@ntxbow.demon.co.uk>, ntxbow
>><ntxbow@ntxbow.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>> we're finally thinking of giving Intel processors the heave ho.
>>>
>>May I ask why? We're just beginning to think of using Intel processors given
>>the wealth of s/w (OS and application) that runs on them.
>>
>>Matt
>
> because compared to the 68ks they're painful, hardware design is a pain
> in the neck, we have to frequently use assembler which in intel is just
> another pain non-orthogonal, too many leap-branch-if-you're-called-fred
> instructions that just don't need to be there, I know I dont have to use
> the CISC aspects but they bug me anyway, stupid segemented memory
> architecture, which no doubt people will say I don't have to use, but
> I've worked on various projects dating back 10+ years, I've had to
> believe me. I've yet to meet someone who's used the two families and
> prefers Intel. Quantity of tools for the Intel family also does not
> imply quality, there's a lot of dross out there.
--
Fortunately, I don't need to design hardware around the CPU (just plug the BPU
board into the VME backplane) and don't need to use ASM anymore either. When
using an HLL the vagaries of the Intel architecture tend to be less trouble.
Thanks for your explanation.
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