From: Simon Johnston <skj@ACM.ORG>
Subject: Re: some questions re. Ada/GNAT from a C++/GCC user
Date: 1996/03/28
Date: 1996-03-28T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <199603280936.JAA06735@jerry.rb.icl.co.uk> (raw)
> Bill asked:
>
> The Ada Programming FAQ pooh-poohs STL, but I like it. (Yes, I know
> I could write my own versions of what I need, but a bunch of Ada
> programmers shouldn't need to be told that that's not the ideal
> solution.) This FAQ also says the Booch components library is
> coming
>
> Those opinions do not represent the opinions of all in the Ada
> community by any means. The STL is a remarkable piece of work in
> my opinion. There is some very nice work going on at Rensaleer
> rewriting STL in Ada.
I also like the STL, I also have to use it in C++ development so an
Ada *equivalent* (not necessarily direct port) would be great. I read
a paper recently (can't lay my hand on it now) about implementing the
STL in Ada-95, which although favourable might lead non-Ada people to
believe that an implementation in Ada-95 would be hard, slow,
inefficient and unwieldy. I think such issues should be directly
challanged and lets have an STL-like library ASAP!!
> Does GNAT completely implement generics as defined in the standard?
>
> Yes
>
> I *assume* that GNAT supports exceptions completely
>
> You assume correctly
>
> I didn't notice anything about garbage collection in the GNAT docs,
> so I assume it doesn't support it. Will GNAT support GC in the
> foreseeable future?
>
> We have no such plans. Several volunteers have mentioned projects
> to this effect. Perhaps you would like to help in this area!
>
> How well does GDB work with GNAT output?
>
> Very well. We have used GDB for years to debug GNAT itself, and
> many of our customers have used it to debug large programs. There
> are areas where improvements are possible and planned,
> particularly in the tasking area.
>
> You assume correctly
>
> I didn't notice anything about garbage collection in the GNAT docs,
> so I assume it doesn't support it. Will GNAT support GC in the
> foreseeable future?
>
> We have no such plans. Several volunteers have mentioned projects
> to this effect. Perhaps you would like to help in this area!
>
> How well does GDB work with GNAT output?
>
> Very well. We have used GDB for years to debug GNAT itself, and
> many of our customers have used it to debug large programs. There
> are areas where improvements are possible and planned,
> particularly in the tasking area.
>
> Is it possible to get GDB to
> interactively call arbitrary procedures/functions from
> GNAT-generated code?
>
> Yes.
>
> When I make two different instantiations of a generic package with
> the same arguments, I understand the compiler treats them formally
> as two different packages, which is OK with me. However, I'd
> appreciate knowing the compiler wouldn't actually output two
> redundant copies of the corresponding (identical?) machine code, but
> instead share the code.
>
> It is not easy in general to share code. GNAT always generates
> separate code which results in optimizing time at the expense of
> space. There are no plans to change this. (Note of course that
> plans can always be changed by customers with requirements and
> $$$$)
>
> Can someone give me an idea what kind of compilation speed I could
> expect from GNAT on a 486DX2/66 with 20 Mb of RAM, for projects of
> 1,000-50,000 lines?
>
> Why not just try it? the cost of a trial copy of GNAT is not
> expensive! Generally we see compilation speeds of several thousand
> lines a minute on such machines, but there are many variables.
>
> Robert Dewar
> Ada Core Technologies
>
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1996-03-27 0:00 some questions re. Ada/GNAT from a C++/GCC user Bill Newman
1996-03-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-03-29 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-30 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-03-30 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-31 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-03-30 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-31 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1996-03-31 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Glenn H. Porter
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Jonas Nygren
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Geert Bosch
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Bruce.Conroy
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Scott Leschke
1996-04-04 0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-03-31 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-02 0:00 ` David Shochat
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-03-28 0:00 ` Scott Leschke
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-30 0:00 ` Richard Pitre
1996-03-30 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-31 0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-03 0:00 ` David Emery
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-09 0:00 ` Matt Kennel
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Felaco
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-03 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-04-01 0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Mike Young
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02 0:00 ` AdaWorks
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Bill Newman
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-03-29 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
[not found] ` <4jlj79$h1k@Nntp1.mcs.net>
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1996-04-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-04 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-03-30 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-04-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
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