ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Ivan B. Cvar]

Does anyone know where I can get a soft/hard copy of the referenced
ISO standards mentioned within Ada95 RM, chapter 1.2?  Are they posted
somewhere, or are they accessible on the WWWeb?  Are they costly/free?

Thanks.

Ivan B. Cvar
email: ibc@ocsystems.com, phone: 703-359-8173

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[agurski on BIX]

ibc@ocsystems.com (Ivan B. Cvar) writes:

>Does anyone know where I can get a soft/hard copy of the referenced
>ISO standards mentioned within Ada95 RM, chapter 1.2?  Are they posted
>somewhere, or are they accessible on the WWWeb?  Are they costly/free?

>Thanks.

>Ivan B. Cvar
>email: ibc@ocsystems.com, phone: 703-359-8173
----------------------------------
ISO standards are *never* free. Selling printed copies of the standards
is one of the few sources of income that the organization has. You can
get ISO standards from your national standardization organization.

                                            -- Aron

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Doc Elliott]

In article <1995Mar14.194511.25187@ocsystems.com>, ibc@ocsystems.com 
says...
>
>Does anyone know where I can get a soft/hard copy of the referenced
>ISO standards mentioned within Ada95 RM, chapter 1.2?  Are they posted
>somewhere, or are they accessible on the WWWeb?  Are they costly/free?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ivan B. Cvar
>email: ibc@ocsystems.com, phone: 703-359-8173

See the following web site

http://www.iso.ch/infoe/

You can order standards from this site.

-- 
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reflect those of my employer or anyone else unless
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Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Tucker Taft]

agurski on BIX (agurski@BIX.com) wrote:
: ibc@ocsystems.com (Ivan B. Cvar) writes:

: >Does anyone know where I can get a soft/hard copy of the referenced
: >ISO standards mentioned within Ada95 RM, chapter 1.2?  Are they posted
: >somewhere, or are they accessible on the WWWeb?  Are they costly/free?

http://lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada/ has everything you could want.

: >Thanks.

: >Ivan B. Cvar
: >email: ibc@ocsystems.com, phone: 703-359-8173
: ----------------------------------
: ISO standards are *never* free. Selling printed copies of the standards
: is one of the few sources of income that the organization has. You can
: get ISO standards from your national standardization organization.

It turns out this doesn't apply to Ada 95, thanks to some
good negotiating by the Ada 9X Project Office, so that 
electronic copies of the Ada 95 standard are freely 
available on the internet, in various places.

The "official" FTP repository is sw-eng.falls-church.va.us
in subdirectory public/adaic/docs/standard/95lrm_rat/v6.0.

:                                             -- Aron

-Tucker Taft   stt@inmet.com
Intermetrics, Inc.

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Ivan B. Cvar]

Tucker Taft (stt@spock.camb.inmet.com ) writes:
> 
> http://lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada/ has everything you could want.
> 
That's a great Web page, but I couldn't find anything about the contents 
of ISO 10646-1:1993 in there.  The Ada-95 RM, chapter 2.1(4,5,8,9) mentions
Row 00 of ISO 10646 in many places, but the RM doesn't say what that means.
I'd hate to waste $373 to find out that Row 00 is only a cryptic way of
referring to a subset of Ada.Characters.Latin_1.  What is this mysterious
Row 00?

BTW, ANSI, in New York City, quoted me these prices for the ISO standards
listed in Ada-95 RM, chapter 1.2:

$US Pages  ISO_Standard_#    Description
---+----+----------------+----------------------------------
$373 754 ISO 10646-1:1993 Univ. Character Set (UCS) - Part 1 Arch. & BMP    
 $37   7 ISO  8859-1:1987 8-bit graphic character sets -- Latin-1 alphabet   
$123  89 ISO    6429:1992 Control functions for coded character sets         
 $52  15 ISO     646:1991 ISO 7-bit ASCII character set                      
$224 369 ISO    1539:1991 Prog. languages - FORTRAN            
$224 369 ISO    1539:1991 Prog. languages - FORTRAN                          
 $13   1 ISO    1989:1985 Prog. languages - COBOL (Endorsement of ANSI std)  
$266 511 ISO    8652:1995 Prog. languages - Ada                             
$166 219 ISO    9899:1990 Prog. languages - C                  

...Ivan

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[David Weller]

In article <1995Mar30.204804.33330@ocsystems.com>,
Ivan B. Cvar <ibc@ocsystems.com> wrote:
>BTW, ANSI, in New York City, quoted me these prices for the ISO standards
>listed in Ada-95 RM, chapter 1.2:
>
>$US Pages  ISO_Standard_#    Description
>---+----+----------------+----------------------------------
>$266 511 ISO    8652:1995 Prog. languages - Ada                             

Hooboy.....  looks like ANSI has cooked up a scheme more heinous than
MAKE.MONEY.FAST  :-)

I guess telling you where you can ftp it from is just out of the
question, eh?


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Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Norman H. Cohen]

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In article <1995Mar30.204804.33330@ocsystems.com>, ibc@ocsystems.com
(Ivan B. Cvar) writes: 

|> BTW, ANSI, in New York City, quoted me these prices for the ISO standards
|> listed in Ada-95 RM, chapter 1.2: 

Yeah, you've gotta watch out for the cab drivers in NYC too.
(The few who are caught by the Taxi & Limosuine Commission for gouging
tourists lose their jobs and go to work for ANSI.)

|> $US Pages  ISO_Standard_#    Description
|> ---+----+----------------+----------------------------------
|> $373 754 ISO 10646-1:1993 Univ. Character Set (UCS) - Part 1 Arch. & BMP
|>  $37   7 ISO  8859-1:1987 8-bit graphic character sets -- Latin-1 alphabet
|> $123  89 ISO    6429:1992 Control functions for coded character sets
|>  $52  15 ISO     646:1991 ISO 7-bit ASCII character set
|> $224 369 ISO    1539:1991 Prog. languages - FORTRAN
|> $224 369 ISO    1539:1991 Prog. languages - FORTRAN
|>  $13   1 ISO    1989:1985 Prog. languages - COBOL (Endorsement of ANSI std)
|> $266 511 ISO    8652:1995 Prog. languages - Ada
|> $166 219 ISO    9899:1990 Prog. languages - C

Some interesting statistics computed from Ivan's data: 

Language standard $US  Pages $US/Page
     Fortran      $224   369   0.61
     COBOL         $13     1  13.00
     Ada          $266   511   0.52
     C            $166   219   0.76

Clear evidence that Ada is the most cost-effective language!

;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

--
Norman H. Cohen    ncohen@watson.ibm.com

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Tucker Taft]

Ivan B. Cvar (ibc@ocsystems.com) wrote:

: Tucker Taft (stt@spock.camb.inmet.com ) writes:
: > 
: > http://lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada/ has everything you could want.
: > 
: That's a great Web page, but I couldn't find anything about the contents 
: of ISO 10646-1:1993 in there.  The Ada-95 RM, chapter 2.1(4,5,8,9) mentions
: Row 00 of ISO 10646 in many places, but the RM doesn't say what that means.
: I'd hate to waste $373 to find out that Row 00 is only a cryptic way of
: referring to a subset of Ada.Characters.Latin_1.  What is this mysterious
: Row 00?

Row 00 represents the first 256 characters of ISO 10646, and is
in exact correspondence with what is called Latin-1, which is defined
by ISO 8859-1.  Ada.Characters.Latin_1 provides names for the
various characters of Latin-1.  You may eventually have to shell out
the money for ISO 10646 if you are going to "play" in the modern
multi-lingual world.  The Basic Multilingual Plane (BMP) of ISO-10646 
is equivalent to (revised) "Unicode," and you may be able to get
documents more cheaply from the Unicode consortium.

: BTW, ANSI, in New York City, quoted me these prices for the ISO standards
: listed in Ada-95 RM, chapter 1.2:

: $US Pages  ISO_Standard_#    Description
: ---+----+----------------+----------------------------------
: $373 754 ISO 10646-1:1993 Univ. Character Set (UCS) - Part 1 Arch. & BMP    
:  $37   7 ISO  8859-1:1987 8-bit graphic character sets -- Latin-1 alphabet   
: $123  89 ISO    6429:1992 Control functions for coded character sets         
:  $52  15 ISO     646:1991 ISO 7-bit ASCII character set                      
: $224 369 ISO    1539:1991 Prog. languages - FORTRAN            
: $224 369 ISO    1539:1991 Prog. languages - FORTRAN                          
:  $13   1 ISO    1989:1985 Prog. languages - COBOL (Endorsement of ANSI std)  
: $266 511 ISO    8652:1995 Prog. languages - Ada                             
: $166 219 ISO    9899:1990 Prog. languages - C                  

: ...Ivan

-Tucker Taft  stt@inmet.com
Intermetrics, Inc.

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Michael Feldman]

In article <3lplqn$12p1@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>,
Norman H. Cohen <ncohen@watson.ibm.com> wrote:

>Some interesting statistics computed from Ivan's data: 

>Language standard $US  Pages $US/Page
>     Fortran      $224   369   0.61
>     COBOL         $13     1  13.00
>     Ada          $266   511   0.52
>     C            $166   219   0.76

>Clear evidence that Ada is the most cost-effective language!

>;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

You're absolutely right, Norm. I especially like the COBOL standard.
COBOL must be a _very_ concise language. :-)

Actually, for $39.95, one can pick up a copy of the Ada CD-ROM set, 
which has all the Ada documents - LRM, Rationale, etc. etc., in
PostScript, ASCII, and HTML. Now THAT's cost-effective.. :-)

Ada is the only language for which the standard is, and will remain,
available free in electronic form.

Mike Feldman

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Theodore Dennison]

ncohen@watson.ibm.com (Norman H. Cohen) wrote:
>In article <1995Mar30.204804.33330@ocsystems.com>, ibc@ocsystems.com
>(Ivan B. Cvar) writes: 
>|> $US Pages  ISO_Standard_#    Description
>|> ---+----+----------------+----------------------------------
>|>  $13   1 ISO    1989:1985 Prog. languages - COBOL (Endorsement of ANSI std)


I am very curious as to how many people have actually paid ISO $13 for
that 1 page ANSI endorsement.

I guess if you have to have it, you have to have it.


T.E.D. (structured programming mafioso)

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Larry Kilgallen]

In article <3lu5ks$26c@theopolis.orl.mmc.com>, Theodore Dennison <dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com> writes:
> ncohen@watson.ibm.com (Norman H. Cohen) wrote:
>>In article <1995Mar30.204804.33330@ocsystems.com>, ibc@ocsystems.com
>>(Ivan B. Cvar) writes: 
>>|> $US Pages  ISO_Standard_#    Description
>>|> ---+----+----------------+----------------------------------
>>|>  $13   1 ISO    1989:1985 Prog. languages - COBOL (Endorsement of ANSI std)
> 
> 
> I am very curious as to how many people have actually paid ISO $13 for
> that 1 page ANSI endorsement.

And I am curious how many would admit it.

Re: ISO standards (see Ada95 chpt. 1.2)

[Robert Dewar]

Actually it may well be a side effect of the free availability of the
Ada standard on the net that the official paper copy from ANSI is
expensive. They are required to print this, and if they can't sell any,
they need to charge a lot.

But why should anyone get upset, just ftp your own copy :-)