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From: rmartin@rcmcon.com (Robert Martin)
Subject: Re: C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency
Date: 1995/04/22
Date: 1995-04-22T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1995Apr22.171719.4120@rcmcon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: MATT.95Apr21124916@physics2.berkeley.edu

matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) writes:

>I agree that "pure" is a loaded word and that we should stop using it.
>However, I do see the benefits of having a language where classes and
>basic built-in types and operating system resources are objects;
>languages like that make it much easier to treat things consistently.

Do you agree that a language in which *everything* is an object is
intrinsically more limited than a language in which the programmer
gets to decide what to put in an object and what to keep out?  Do you
also agree that programs designed for the first type of language can
be implemented in the second type, more easily that vice versa?  If
so, do you agree that the benefits of the first type automatically
transfer to the second type?

>A well-designed class hierarchy that includes the basic types and
>that's rooted in some class like Object or ANY can sometimes be quite
>useful.

Sometimes, although I generally prefer not to have a single root to
the inheritance tree.

>It's not foolish to make a distinction between languages that have
>that sort of hierarchy and that have a base class from which all
>classes inherit, and languages that don't.

Agreed.  

"Pure" is probably the
>wrong word to use for that distinction; can anyone suggest a better?

Sure.  Tree model languages have all objects rooted at some top level
object.  Forest model language can have many independent disconnected
inheritance hierarchies.

This is a nomenclature that has been used to describe class libraries.
I think it covers languages quite nicely too.

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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-04-02  0:00 Language Efficiency Robert C. Bethel
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Harold P Zbiegien
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-06  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Kennel
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Ray Toal
1995-04-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-19  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00           ` Kennel
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
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1995-04-19  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
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1995-04-19  0:00                   ` Paul Graham
1995-04-19  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
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1995-04-19  0:00                         ` C++ not OOP? (Was: " Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-19  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-19  0:00                             ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                               ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-20  0:00                                 ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                                 ` Robert Martin
1995-04-20  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` Robert Martin [this message]
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` OOAD courses by Object Mentor cjames
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency David Weller
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
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1995-04-19  0:00                                   ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Fernando Mato Mira
     [not found]                           ` <1995Apr13.152104@di.epfl.ch>
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency James McKim
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1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
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1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` Robert Martin
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Harley Davis
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
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1995-04-20  0:00                   ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency ron house
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-21  0:00               ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                 ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Erik Naggum
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1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-22  0:00                     ` Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-20  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1995-04-05  0:00   ` Mike Wilson
1995-04-05  0:00     ` David Weller
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Mitch Gart
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Lawrence Free/ A.F. Software Services
1995-04-06  0:00 ` Ken Leidner
1995-04-06  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
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1995-04-20  0:00 C++ not OOP? (Was: " Wes Groleau
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