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From: rmartin@rcmcon.com (Robert Martin)
Subject: Re: C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency
Date: 1995/04/21
Date: 1995-04-21T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1995Apr21.190040.7332@rcmcon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3n5oup$g2s@atlantis.utmb.edu




>> Curtis Bass  <cbass%intmeds1.utmb@mhost.utmb.edu> wrote:
>> >If I can write a procedure that is NOT attached to an object,
>> >then I am NOT using a "PURE" OOPL.
>> >

>dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (David Weller) wrote:
>> Curtis, please cite the references you have used to gain this silly
>> notion.

Curtis Bass <cbass%intmeds1.utmb@mhost.utmb.edu> writes:
>#4. What I WILL do is refer you to Grady Booch's FIRST edition
>    of "Object-Oriented Design with Applications," appendix A2,
>    page 474. I will NOT reprint the relevant text. Go look it
>    up yourself.

Here it is:

    [Speaking of Smalltalk] 'It is a "pure" object oriented
    programming language, in that everything is viewed as an object -
    even integers and classes.'

------

Notice how much emotion has been shed over this argument?  The reason
is that "pure" is an emotionally charged word.    The argument has
been made in this group, many times, that students would be better off
learning a "pure" OOPL, or that applications are better if programmed
in a "pure" OOPL.  

What these arguments do not do, is what Grady did above.  He defined
the term.  

As it happens, I don't much care for Grady's definition.  For one
thing, I don't understand the benefit of 'purity' as he describes it.
In fact, he was not claiming any such benefit to exist.  For another,
I don't like coupling that definition with a word that carries such
emotional baggage.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~1995-04-21  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1995-04-02  0:00 Language Efficiency Robert C. Bethel
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1995-04-05  0:00   ` Mike Wilson
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-05  0:00     ` David Weller
1995-04-04  0:00 ` Harold P Zbiegien
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Kennel
1995-04-05  0:00     ` Ray Toal
1995-04-07  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]       ` <3m9o9q$igf@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>
     [not found]         ` <D6ss6z.Gvw@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]           ` <dewar.797512974@gnat>
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]             ` <3mbmd5$s06@icebox.mfltd.co.uk>
     [not found]               ` <D6uA77.Lqp@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]                 ` <dewar.797566928@gnat>
     [not found]                   ` <D6vxDG.JKJ@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]                     ` <dewar.797636710@gnat>
     [not found]                       ` <D6xF22.38H@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
     [not found]                         ` <dewar.797729041@gnat>
     [not found]                           ` <3msdop$862@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>
1995-04-19  0:00                   ` Paul Graham
1995-04-19  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                 ` <3mcfbf$psl@acmez.gatech.edu>
     [not found]                   ` <3mgnkc$e3j@atlantis <3muaif$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
     [not found]                     ` <3n0lsu$nio@druid.borland.com>
     [not found]                       ` <3n0uvi$8jt@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-19  0:00                         ` C++ not OOP? (Was: " Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-19  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-19  0:00                             ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                               ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-20  0:00                                 ` David Weller
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-20  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00                                     ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-21  0:00                                 ` Robert Martin [this message]
1995-04-20  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Matt Austern
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` Robert Martin
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` OOAD courses by Object Mentor cjames
1995-04-22  0:00                           ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency David Weller
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Ed Osinski
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
     [not found]                   ` <3mgnkc$e3j@atlantis.utmb.edu>
     [not found]                     ` <1995Apr13.180317.3308@rcmcon.com>
     [not found]                       ` <3muaif$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-22  0:00                             ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                     ` <3mk65q$1kti@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>
     [not found]                       ` <3muavq$46u@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-21  0:00                         ` Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                           ` Curtis Bass
     [not found]                   ` <3mcoh6$add@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
     [not found]                     ` <3mdrpf$3o9@disunms.epfl.ch>
     [not found]                       ` <dewar.797608300@gnat>
     [not found]                         ` <3mg45s$5r7@disunms.epfl.ch>
     [not found]                           ` <3mjc8c$630@crcnis3.unl.edu>
     [not found]                             ` <D71Gs9.2FG@nntpa.cb.att.com>
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     [not found]                                 ` <3n1als$ksi@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>
1995-04-19  0:00                                   ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Fernando Mato Mira
     [not found]                           ` <1995Apr13.152104@di.epfl.ch>
1995-04-21  0:00                             ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency James McKim
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Harley Davis
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Multiple dispatch (was Re: C++ not OOP?) Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-19  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-21  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-21  0:00               ` C++ not OOP? (Was: Language Efficiency Norman H. Cohen
1995-04-21  0:00                 ` Fernando Mato Mira
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Erik Naggum
     [not found]               ` <MATT.95Apr17124932@physics10.berkeley.edu>
     [not found]                 ` <3mujnl$4u8@atlantis.utmb.edu>
1995-04-20  0:00                   ` ron house
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1995-04-21  0:00                     ` Curtis Bass
     [not found]         ` <dewar.797469506@gnat>
     [not found]           ` <1995Apr10.095958@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]             ` <dewar.797513130@gnat>
     [not found]               ` <1995Apr10.165638@di.epfl.ch>
     [not found]                 ` <D6yGqv.4BG@nntpa.cb.att.com>
1995-04-21  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-22  0:00                     ` Kenneth Almquist
1995-04-19  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1995-04-19  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00           ` Kennel
1995-04-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-04  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
1995-04-06  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1995-04-20  0:00   ` Matt Austern
1995-04-21  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Mitch Gart
1995-04-05  0:00 ` Lawrence Free/ A.F. Software Services
1995-04-06  0:00 ` Ken Leidner
1995-04-06  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
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1995-04-20  0:00 C++ not OOP? (Was: " Wes Groleau
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