Re: How Visual C++ is killing Ada9X

Re: How Visual C++ is killing Ada9X

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In article <SRCTRAN.93Sep14141956@world.std.com>, srctran@world.std.com (Gregor
y Aharonian) writes:

[revelation that even Bill Gates' Visual Basic product is 10 years ahead of Ada
ommitted].

*    One more thing to ignore talking about at Tri-Ada.

It sounds like Ada at this point is nothing more than an affirmative action
program of some sort, its victims determined by something akin to natural
selection, i.e. those not bright enough to escape the mandate suffer 
accordingly.  That being the case, would you figure these same victims
to even be bright enough TO discuss something like you mention at TRI-
Ada?




-- 
Ted Holden    
HTE       

Re: How Visual C++ is killing Ada9X

[David Emery]

Of course, if Ted Holden ever bothered to go to an Ada conference,
he'd be very surprised at the variety of topics like this that get
discussed, both formally and informally...  But NOOOOO, it's easier to
sit back and misquote C.A.R. Hoare than to get the facts.  At least
Greg has been to some Ada meetings to see what really gets
discussed...

				dave

Re: How Visual C++ is killing Ada9X

[David Tannen]

Also on this topic (How Visual C++ is killing Ada9X) Greg is right.  Please not
e
that MS has sold +25M copies of Windows.  That is a huge market.  Not only for
end users, but for development tools.  Honestly, most of that market is not
"mission critical" (ie someone or the planet will die if the software fails)
but it is still out there and there are a lot of "niche" market products
that people want developed.

I have been asked about developing some very niche market products for Windows
environment.  The end user/client could care less what they are written in just
that it works.  I would like to develop them in Ada, but the tools and 
environment to do the job are in C++, Object Pascal, SmallTalk, etc.  Multiple
that by thousands (maybe millions) of other software engineers trying to meet 
everyday needs of their clients.

Note:  I was contacted by a vendor to give specific details about what problems
I have with their compiler and toolset.  They actually seemed like they wanted 
to
do something about the situation, so in the spirit of David Gergen - when asked
I will serve (and help out).

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David Tannen
tannend@source.asset.com
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