Re: Ada 9X at OOPSLA '93 (Was Re: Gauntlet thrown: OOPSLA program)

Re: Ada 9X at OOPSLA '93 (Was Re: Gauntlet thrown: OOPSLA program)

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Magnus Kempe (Magnus.Kempe@di.epfl.ch) wrote:
: FYI, this year OOPSLA will host two tutorials on Ada 9X (one on
: Monday 9/27, the other one on Friday 10/1; that's two out of a
: total of 35 tutorials).  As you can see from the abstracts, they
: target two different audiences.

: (extracts from the advanced program)
[extract deleted]

Yes, yes, yes, I have the program.  I know about the tutorials
(so I assume you're posting this for those who've NOT seen the
program).  Therefore, I request a return to our original
program:  Who are the Ada vendors exhibiting at OOPSLA?  So far,
one response, and that not an Ada vendor per se, but from a
workstation vendor who (correct me if I'm wrong) markets a
version of the Verdix compiler.  But no response from Verdix.
Or Alsys.  Or DEC.  Or Alsys-nee-Telesoft.  Or SD-Scicon.  Or
Meridian.  Or Tartan.  Or TLD.  Or ICC.  Or DDC-I.  Or Aitech.
Or Rational.  Or SKY.  Or Alliant.  Or Concurrent.  Or Convex.
Or Cray.  Or E-Systems.  Or Encore.  Or Harris.  Or HP.  Or
HP/Apollo.  Or 1BM.  (Partial list of Ada vendors from the June
1993 Ada-Jovial newsletter.

Jim Crigler

Re: Ada 9X at OOPSLA '93 (Was Re: Gauntlet thrown: OOPSLA program)

[David Weller]

In article <1993Jul9.124103.15018@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> jcrigler@theopolis.orl.m
mc.com (Jim Crigler) writes:
>Who are the Ada vendors exhibiting at OOPSLA?  So far,
>one response, and that not an Ada vendor per se, but from a
>workstation vendor who (correct me if I'm wrong) markets a
>version of the Verdix compiler.  But no response from 
[several names listed]
I don't understand this.  SGI, although a hardware vendor, will
be demonstrating their Virtual Reality software written in Ada.
In fact, they will be BRAGGING about that fact that it is in Ada.
I would qualify this as an "Ada Exhibit Booth".

You seemed to have pushed off SGI because they were "hardware", but 
you also listed: HP/Apollo, DEC, Concurrent, Convex, Cray,
Encore, Harris, and IBM -- all hardware vendors.  If they were
there, would you discount them also?  I think what the folks at
the booth promote is more important than the name.  Rational, for
instance, was at OOPSLA last year, but never really mentioned
the A-word as its sales pitch (they were selling ROSE and the
Booch Components for C++).  This year will be different, as they
will also be touting their new Apex development environment.

Finally, there is somewhat of an impression that OOPSLA is more
of an academic conference among the well-established Ada vendors.
This is, of course, the wrong impression.  The real business
winners will be the Ada vendors that are SMART ENOUGH to have
a booth at OOPSLA this year.  Many of the ones you've listed
probably haven't caught on to the idea that the only way they
can expand their business base it to demonstrate at conferences
other than Ada love-ins, like WAdaS or Tri-Ada.

Here is the list of Ada "promoters" that I know of so far
at OOPSLA:
	Fastrak Training, Inc.
	Rational
	Silicon Graphics/Verdix
Anybody want to add to it?

Verdix.
>Or Alsys.  Or DEC.  Or Alsys-nee-Telesoft.  Or SD-Scicon.  Or
>Meridian.  Or Tartan.  Or TLD.  Or ICC.  Or DDC-I.  Or Aitech.
>Or Rational.  Or SKY.  Or Alliant.  Or Concurrent.  Or Convex.
>Or Cray.  Or E-Systems.  Or Encore.  Or Harris.  Or HP.  Or
>HP/Apollo.  Or 1BM.  (Partial list of Ada vendors from the June
>1993 Ada-Jovial newsletter.
>
>Jim Crigler


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Re: Ada 9X at OOPSLA '93 (Was Re: Gauntlet thrown: OOPSLA program)

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David Weller (wellerd@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu) wrote in response to my
continuing Ada lament:
: In article <1993Jul9.124103.15018@iplmail.orl.mmc.com>
: jcrigler@theopolis.orl.mmc.com (Jim Crigler) writes:
: >Who are the Ada vendors exhibiting at OOPSLA?  So far,
: >one response, and that not an Ada vendor per se, but from a
: >workstation vendor who (correct me if I'm wrong) markets a
: >version of the Verdix compiler.  But no response from 
: [several names listed]
: I don't understand this.  SGI, although a hardware vendor, will
: be demonstrating their Virtual Reality software written in Ada.
: In fact, they will be BRAGGING about that fact that it is in Ada.
: I would qualify this as an "Ada Exhibit Booth".

Thanks, David for the correction.  I was hoping I was wrong.

: You seemed to have pushed off SGI because they were "hardware", but 
: you also listed: HP/Apollo, DEC, Concurrent, Convex, Cray,
: Encore, Harris, and IBM -- all hardware vendors

It was not my intent to `push off' anyone `vending' Ada.  I
just wanted to point out that no vendor for whom Ada is a
_primary_ business had responded.

: Rational, for instance, [...]
: will also be touting their new Apex development environment.

Good!

I leave you with David's final comments:

: The real business
: winners will be the Ada vendors that are SMART ENOUGH to have
: a booth at OOPSLA this year.  Many of the ones you've listed
: probably haven't caught on to the idea that the only way they
: can expand their business base it to demonstrate at conferences
: other than Ada love-ins, like WAdaS or Tri-Ada.

And additions to the list:

: Here is the list of Ada "promoters" that I know of so far
: at OOPSLA:
: 	Fastrak Training, Inc.
: 	Rational
: 	Silicon Graphics/Verdix
: Anybody want to add to it?

: Verdix.


Jim Crigler
Martin Marietta isn't responsible for my thoughts, which are independent.

Re: Ada 9X at OOPSLA '93 (Was Re: Gauntlet thrown: OOPSLA program)

[David McAllister]

>program:  Who are the Ada vendors exhibiting at OOPSLA?  So far,
>one response, and that not an Ada vendor per se, but from a
>workstation vendor who (correct me if I'm wrong) markets a
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
I'd also like to point out that we also sell large mainframes
and file servers and database stuff, as well as being the
third largest supecomputer vendor in the world.  
>version of the Verdix compiler.  But no response from Verdix.

we do resell the Verdix compiler, but this product has both
SGI engr content and added value (i.e. GL bindings).

>Or Alsys.  Or DEC.  Or Alsys-nee-Telesoft.  Or SD-Scicon.  Or
>Meridian.  Or Tartan.  Or TLD.  Or ICC.  Or DDC-I.  Or Aitech.
>Or Rational.  Or SKY.  Or Alliant.  Or Concurrent.  Or Convex.
>Or Cray.  Or E-Systems.  Or Encore.  Or Harris.  Or HP.  Or
>HP/Apollo.  Or 1BM.  (Partial list of Ada vendors from the June
>1993 Ada-Jovial newsletter.

or from any of the other Verdix OEMs for that matter!

>
>Jim Crigler

Dave McAllister
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