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From: cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!seas.gwu.edu!mfeld man@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Re: Anyone else actually like Ada?
Date: 24 Jul 93 04:02:29 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1993Jul24.040229.28663@seas.gwu.edu> (raw)

In article <1993Jul23.122525.26017@hellgate.utah.edu> matwood%peruvian.cs.utah.
edu@cs.utah.edu (Mark Atwood) writes:

[some stuff deleted]
>
>Working with C/C++ at school, I got so sick of chasing pointers, debugging at
>runtime, and having interface mismatches, grrr!!  The long and short of it is,
>I fell in love with Ada.  The development environments suck, it's pricy, and
>I'm always having to justify myself, but I don't care.  Now, even when I'm jus
t
>doing design work, or implementing in C, I design and code it up in Ada first,
>and use it as a design language.
>
>I hate the politics and hypocracy in the DoD world, and am offended by the
>people I meet who think that all they need to know about it is that "the
>DoD designed it, you know what THAT means (roll eyes)."  But I love the
>language that it so readable and comprehensable, and expressive enough to
>say damn near everything that everyone else needs OS calls, nonstandard
>extensions, or knowledge of the compiler/runtime/hardware to hack together.
>
>Am I so strange?
>
Nope. You've actually got a lot of company out here. It's hard to tell
from reading this newsgroup, though, which seems too frequently to 
degenerate into political gripe sessions. I think many of the ones who 
are really getting the job done with Ada are staying away from the
newsgroup - they have better things to do.

For all the complaining about who's _not_ doing Ada, it is telling that
Ada is often being used where software _really_ has to work. A few examples:

- avionics software for ALL (I'm pretty sure) new-generation civil airliners,
  including the Russians';

- civil air traffic control systems in ALL countries that are currently 
  revamping their systems;

- the new French high-speed rail lines and the Channel Tunnel.

None of these projects were subject to a mandate, at least not a US
DoD mandate.  I think they simply discovered what you and I did, and
acted accordingly. And this is just Ada83 stuff. Wait 'til 9X...

Flames to /dev/null, please.

Mike Feldman
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1993-07-28 16:56 Anyone else actually like Ada? Wes Groleau X7574
1993-07-27 23:05 Robert I. Eachus
1993-07-27 15:59 Christopher J. Henrich
1993-07-27 14:38 david.c.willett
1993-07-26 22:27 Richard Dye
1993-07-26 21:38 Don Tyzuk
1993-07-26 18:57 Laurence VanDolsen
1993-07-26 16:34 Germany.EU.net!mcsun!julienas!enpc!marronnier!re
1993-07-26 15:51 cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!ajpo.sei.cmu.edu!wellerd
1993-07-26 13:52 cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.
1993-07-26 13:45 cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.
1993-07-24 22:00 Tim Barrios
1993-07-23 23:21 Kenneth Anderson
1993-07-23 22:53 david.c.willett
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