From: seas.gwu.edu!mfeldman@uunet.uu.net (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Re: Why and how do organizations select the OO
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:37:06 GMT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1993Jan22.203706.29355@seas.gwu.edu> (raw)
In article <1993Jan22.144817.23862@mcc.com> breland@cobweb.mcc.com writes:
>
>In conclusion, I must add that OO in the hands of the uneducated can be a
>dangerous thing. It is not to be dictated just because "OO is the currently
>accepted methodology, so do it." Instead, it must be applied judiciously
>and in concert with other approaches suitable to the application domain.
>Don't forget the domain encompasses project programmatics, as well as the
>technology itself.
>
Two anecdotes about the faddishness of OO at the moment.
(1) I was approached by a graduate student who wanted to write a
masters thesis. I should add that this student works for a very
large government contractor on a very large project, an Ada one
as it happens (not that it matters!).
The student had a proposal in hand: "prove that OO is less efficient".
The following (abridged) dialog ensued:
MBF: Less efficient than what?
Student: Than traditional methodologies
MBF: Less efficient in what sense?
Student: Slower and bigger executables
MBF: You think you can prove that?
Student: Well, that's what the folks at work say
MBF: But how do _they_ know? Have they tried comparing apples
to apples?
Student: I don't know, but I don't think so. They are interested in
seeing my results.
MBF: How about if we re-write your proposal so that you are
_investigating_, for some appropriately boiled-down piece
of your project, the run-time behavior of that program
developed in OO fashion but also by a traditional methodology?
Student: Oh, you want me to do the thing in two different ways, then
compare?
MBF: Yup.
Student: Hmmm....that's a good idea.
MBF: Yup. You might even be surprised by the outcome.
The second draft is a bit closer to an honest assessment.
(2) I had occasion recently to visit some folks in one of the military
services, starting to develop a non-hard-realtime system. They are
in a frenzy to sort out whether to use OO or not, and whether to
use Ada or break their backs to get a waiver for C or C++.
They hired a _really_ big-name consultant (NOT a professor, Mark!)
to teach them his OO methodology and take a first crack at a design
for them. After collecting a very large fee, he walked away from the
project, leaving behind what they say is an unworkable design.
Conceivably we (I and another professor friend) will get involved
helping them sort it all out. Might be fun.
In this group, the battle over both OO and Ada is purely religious.
Seemed to me to be pretty devoid of technical content. And no, I
won't tell you what group it was. I was there, though. And other
friends have told me that this is typical of the state of things
right now. OO is defined in these circles as "I don't know much
about it, but it's that stuff that C++ does and Ada doesn't."
And nobody can say for sure whether it will "work", whether it will
improve cost-effectiveness, and by how much. Same old handwaving.
Just thought I'd jump in with my $0.02.
Mike Feldman
PS - Read J-P Rosen's paper in the November CACM.
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Professor, Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
School of Engineering and Applied Science
The George Washington University
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