Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

[Gregory Aharonian]

   I recently received a brochure in the mail from the sponsors of Object
Expo national conference and exposition to be held at the New York Hilton
on April 19 to April 23. (For more information, contact Object Expo, 588
Broadway, Suite 604, New York, NY, 10012, 212-274-9135. Three day fee $1000).

    Once again, there is virtually no Ada9X representation at the talks or
the trade show.  Here are people currently making Object Oriented decisions
for the companies, prime candidates for a pitch on Ada9X, and there is no
one their to sell them on Ada9X.  Continual refusal to participate in these
forums by the Ada9X people only reinforces the public image that Ada is
nothing more than a niche language for the DoD of little use in the real world.

   What follows is the titles to the classes, tutorials and talks to be given,
with a language relevance pointed out where possible from the abstract.

Object-Oriented Modeling and Design
An Introduction to C++                                               C++
Synthesis: Analysis and design for Object Oriented systems
Software Development Using Smalltalk: A case study                   Smalltalk
Choosing the right Object Oriented method
OOP 101                                                              C++
Program Development using C++                                        C++
Implementing Object Technology in Corporations
OO Design Idioms and Architectures
Evaluating OO Methods and CASE
Mastering Object Engineering
Encapsulating the Number System efficiently                          C++
Getting the most out of Object technology
Developing and Implementing Enterprise Applications
OOA in the real world
Architectural issues for high performance OO
C++ Virtual functions and virtual base classes                       C++
Transition management strategies
Ada9X: Objectifying the Ada Language (Ed Schonberg)                  Ada
Workflow analysis using graphics object modeling
OO Software Engineering
Thinking in Smalltalk                                                Smalltalk
Truly reusable class libraries in large programs                     C++
Experience with OO Structured Design
ODBMS - the essentials                                               C/C++
New techniques in OO representation
Writing high performance Smalltalk programs                          Smalltalk
C++ Gotchas                                                          C++
Finding business objects using CRC cards
Objects and relational databases
Implementing distributed applications
User interface version control in large object systems               Smalltalk
Localized cost and static initialization                             C++
Creating software assets in the lifecycle
Object databases
OOPS - it should have worked
Data abstraction in C++                                              C++
The Object game
Benefitting from OO and CASE
Implementing OO and recursive design
Redefining open systems
C++ library development                                              C++
Going beyond OO GUIs
Benefitting from OO Enterprise modeling
Workshop with the BOOCH method
Managing Object Technology
Development and Testing for C++                                      C++
OO systems in non-OO environments
OO opportunities in the executive suite
Evolutionary perspective on Object Technology
OO Design                                                            Smalltalk
                                                                     C++, Ada
Mastering Object DBMSes
Comparing OOP languages - C++, Smalltalk, Eiffel                     Smalltalk
                                                                    C++, Eiffel
Advanced C++                                                         C++


    Once again, very minimal Ada presence, and only because the conference
is in New York, making it easy for Ed to attend.  Other than that, no Ada
presence.  In the abstract to Ed's talk it says:  "This lecture will
demonstrate how Ada continues to be ideally suited to support modern software
engineering practice, especially for constructing large, reliable systems".
As true as this maybe, no one is going to believe this delusion,
since all they have to do is walk into the trade show and see absolutely
no Ada presence.  Such statements, when contrasted to a great unwillingness
of Ada proponents not to show up at public forums to make the case for Ada
and show off great Ada tools, are easily dismissed by those in the corporate
world making OO decisions and spending their own money.  "Why spend our
money on a technology I never see ads for".

    Other than Rational (and probably demonstrating their C++ stuff) none
of the other Ada compiler vendors (Alsys, Verdix, Meridian, Intermetrics,
Telesoft, or DDC) are listed as the trade show exhibitors.  None of the
DoD program offices greatly dependent on the success of Ada (AJPO, STARS,
ASSET, DSRO, Ada9X) are listed as trade show exhibitors to demonstrate to
the world all of the DoD successes that Ed's abstract refers to.  None of
the contractors quickly taking Ada money (SAIC, IBM, Boeing, Paramax, etc)
are there to proclaim to the public what they tell the DoD.

    In short, for all of the cheerleading I see on comp.lang.ada and at
the Tri-Adas, I see no interest or willingness by these people to go out
and sell Ada outside of the Mandated world.  Given the importance of Ada
to national security, I consider this nothing to be more than hypocrisy and
suggest that the DoD start giving its Ada money to people willing to do so.


Greg Aharonian
Source Translation & Optimization
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Greg Aharonian
Source Translation & Optimiztion
P.O. Box 404, Belmont, MA 02178

Re: Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

[news]

In article <C4nMw0.K2C@world.std.com>, srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) writes:
*
*   I recently received a brochure in the mail from the sponsors of Object
*Expo national conference and exposition to be held at the New York Hilton
*on April 19 to April 23. (For more information, contact Object Expo, 588
*Broadway, Suite 604, New York, NY, 10012, 212-274-9135. Three day fee $1000).

*    Once again, there is virtually no Ada9X representation at the talks or
*the trade show.  Here are people currently making Object Oriented decisions
*for the companies, prime candidates for a pitch on Ada9X, and there is no
*one their to sell them on Ada9X. 

You don't really expect them there...

That would be like having a Hee-Haw character attempt to crash a formal 
Viennese ball.



-- 
Ted Holden
HTE

Re: Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

[Michael S. Bandor]

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Re: Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

[Dave Collard x7468]

In <408@fedfil.UUCP> news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes:

>In article <C4nMw0.K2C@world.std.com>, srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) writes:
>*
>*   I recently received a brochure in the mail from the sponsors of Object
>*Expo national conference and exposition to be held at the New York Hilton
>*on April 19 to April 23. (For more information, contact Object Expo, 588
>*Broadway, Suite 604, New York, NY, 10012, 212-274-9135. Three day fee $1000).

>*    Once again, there is virtually no Ada9X representation at the talks or
>*the trade show.  Here are people currently making Object Oriented decisions
>*for the companies, prime candidates for a pitch on Ada9X, and there is no
>*one their to sell them on Ada9X. 

On page 8 of my brochure, session T14 Edmond Schonberg is
talking about Ada9x: Objectifying the Ada Language.  
So you must have missed it.  See you there.

[computer-generated drivel deleted]

--Thor 
dlc@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu

Re: Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

[Alex Blakemore]

*Once again, there is virtually no Ada9X representation at the talks or
*the trade show. 

> You don't really expect them there...
> That would be like having a Hee-Haw character attempt to crash a formal 
> Viennese ball.

> Ted Holden
> HTE

so nice to hear from you again Ted.

You know, I've always wondered whether to believe your posts,
but this time you've really convinced me with your stunning wit
and brilliant analysis.

Ada works very well for me - I'm sorry you weren't able to understand it.

Get a life.
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Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted

Re: Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

[Gregory Aharonian]

>>*    Once again, there is virtually no Ada9X representation at the talks or
>>*the trade show.  Here are people currently making Object Oriented decisions
>>*for the companies, prime candidates for a pitch on Ada9X, and there is no
>>*one their to sell them on Ada9X. 

>On page 8 of my brochure, session T14 Edmond Schonberg is
>talking about Ada9x: Objectifying the Ada Language.  
>So you must have missed it.  See you there.

   If you had bothered to read my original posting, you would have
noticed that I did indeed mention Ed Schonberg's talk, and one other that
partially mentions Ada - which is why i used the phrase "virtually no
Ada presence there".  Though one talk out of fifty is statistically zero
anyway.  Further, if you read brochures, you probably got the brochure
for the June Object World in San Francisco, where there are NO Ada talks,
including Ed (probably because it would cost him his own money to goto
San Francisco, and instead of his backyard of New York) and any other
Mandated world so-called Ada cheerleaders.  But I will save that diatribe
for another posting.

>[computer-generated drivel deleted]
    If the implications of the pathetic state of Ada outside the Mandated
world on national security and the DoD's ability to develop software in
an era of decreasing budgets is drivel, I stand (or sit) so informed.

Greg Aharonian
Source Translation & Optimization
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Greg Aharonian
Source Translation & Optimiztion
P.O. Box 404, Belmont, MA 02178

Re: Ada9X boycott of OBJECT EXPO (NY, Apr): Why?

[Dave Collard x7468]

In <SRCTRAN.93Apr5110100@world.std.com> srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) writes:


>>>*    Once again, there is virtually no Ada9X representation at the talks or
>>>*the trade show.  Here are people currently making Object Oriented decisions
>>>*for the companies, prime candidates for a pitch on Ada9X, and there is no
>>>*one their to sell them on Ada9X. 

>>On page 8 of my brochure, session T14 Edmond Schonberg is
>>talking about Ada9x: Objectifying the Ada Language.  
>>So you must have missed it.  See you there.

>   If you had bothered to read my original posting, you would have

>>[computer-generated drivel deleted]
>    If the implications of the pathetic state of Ada outside the Mandated
>world on national security and the DoD's ability to develop software in
>an era of decreasing budgets is drivel, I stand (or sit) so informed.

The deleted remarks were Ted Holden's, not yours, so unless you
want to take credit for them...

--Thor
dlc@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu