Vendors/contractors ashamed of Ada?

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Greg flames again!  Weeeee!

But, people (yeah, I'm talking to YOU), he hits-the-nail-on-the-head yet
again!

It doesn't matter what you are selling, marketing matters.  If your
company ships crap the market will do one of four things:

	1)  Accept it because the price is right (free -- just like C
	    compilers were (are?) in a unix release).

	2)  Quit buying it because it is crap (no-brainer here...).

	3)  Use it because they HAVE TO; ergo a captive market.

	4)  Use the product, because it is value for money.

There is a magazine called "Computer Language" that was to discuss the 
languages of Modula-3, Pascal, and (gasp!) Ada.  I signed-up for it right
away due to the perceived articles on Ada and I dropped my subscription
due to the lack of Ada content.

Alsys has done the best job to my knowledge to do what Greg writes.

srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) writes:
:    One of the main rules of running a software company in the real world is
: get all of the PR you can.
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:     The reason I mention this in general is that I rarely see Ada mentioned
: anywhere outside the defense media community in any form. Editors I know
: say they are rarely if ever contacted by the Ada vendors or the defense
: community.  The reason I mention this in particular is that the latest
: issue of Computerworld, front page, has a cover story on one company adopting
: object oriented technology, and their struggles and gains using C++.  A
: sidebar to the article discusses a DOE scientist developing a Army battle
: simulation using Smalltalk.  These are not isolated stories, but typical of
: the stories about object oriented programming, CASE, and every language but
: Ada.  The vast bulk of the commercial world reading these journals and 
: magazines won't even get a chance to dismiss Ada - they never hear about it.
: Computerworld, Information Week, MidRange Systems, Computer Design, Embedded
: Systems, Computer Language, Unix World, Electronic Engineering Times, CIO,
: the list goes on, as does the absence of Ada and Ada success stories.  Even
: the comp.software-eng area on USENET, a great place to plug your latest
: CASE stuff for free, has an Ada quietness.  CASEWORLD - no Ada presence.
: Downsizing and reengineering conferences and seminars - no Ada presence.

Here is where Greg misses the point.  See reason #3 above for why vendors
are not pushing their product harder.  Having worked on both sides of the
fence in the U.S. Govt. world (and have now escaped to the commercial world)
I think Greg has a real good point for the proponents of Ada.  Remeber the
ol'saw from Holywood, "It doesn't matter what they say about you, just as
long as they spell your name right!"  Which is ment to mean publicity never
hurts, never ever.

: 
:      What is it? Are the Ada vendors and the DoD ashamed of Ada?  Why are
: they so passive about advocating a supposedly superior language?  For the
: DoD to realize the anticipated gains that Ada provides, it will need broader
: free market acceptance of Ada.  However it will require marketing expertise
: beyond what the DoD and its contractors have, have experienced, or care to do
: without getting more money from the government.
: 

Ada is a very, very good language.

Aloha,
	Richard

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