Re: Open Systems closed to Ada?

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In <EMERY.92Dec4135828@dr_no.mitre.org> emery@dr_no.mitre.org (David Emery) wri
tes:

>I promised myself I wasn't going to post any more on this topic.  But
>I can't let this assertion by mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall
>575-3539) go unanswered.

>>Maybe this is your problem.  All the people you know are in the Ada
>>Community, so when your attitude toward people who aren't becomes
>>evident, you wind up seeing what you expect to see?

>I have spent the last 5 years working on IEEE Standard P1003.5 Ada
>Binding to POSIX.  During this time, I have attended more POSIX
>meetings (3 or 4 annually) than Ada conferences.  It's my observation
>that the great majority of people attending POSIX meetings are C
>people.  I certainly don't think they would call themselves Ada
>people.  

Well, there's certainly an unnexpected phenomenon, wouldn't you say?
NOT.  If you acted toward them with the same attitude you show here, I
can understand why you had problems.

>When I got started in the P1003.5 effort, I was hoping that we would
>be welcomed by the rest of POSIX.  What I expected was disinterest.
>What I found was hostility.  

Manifested how?  Surely they didn't just act hostile because you were
doing the Ada binding.  There had to be just a bit more to it than
that, wouldn't you say?

>So, I explicitly reject this statement by Fred McCall.  My comments on
>the two communities are are explictly based with my experience working
>in the POSIX community, which I believe to be dominated by C people.

Reject as you like.  There is a BIG difference between going to
meetings and KNOWING the people at those meetings.  From your attitude
here, I would guess that you couldn't be bothered to do the latter,
them only being C scum and all.  If you were anything like as
antagonistic there as you sound here, I can't express much surprise at
WHATEVER reception you got. 

>And, Fred, please try to spell my last name right the next time you
>flame me.  It's E-M-E-R-Y.  You wouldn't want people to be confused
>about who you are attacking, would you?

Flame you?  Attacking you?  After the things you've been posting, you
categorize my response as 'flaming' you?  No *wonder* you're having
problems.  Somebody at POSIX probably said 'hello' and you took it as
hostility, given the thin skin you seem to have here.

Oh, and just by the by, you might want to read through the netiquette
stuff on criticism regarding typing, spelling, grammar, etc.
Generally considered bad form, and all that.

Rave on, Dave.  Rant about the Evil C Conspiracy all you
want.  Just don't be surprised if people decline to see the world
through your ever-so-biased viewpoint.

Me, I prefer reality to raves.

[This one you can call a flame if you like.]

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