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From: jls@netcom.COM (Jim Showalter)
Subject: Re: chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)
Date: 25 Jun 91 18:38:05 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1991Jun25.183805.9549@netcom.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 25649@well.sf.ca.us

nagle@well.sf.ca.us (John Nagle) writes:

>jls@netcom.COM (Jim Showalter) writes:

>>I'm talking here of things like the multi-MILLION
>>line FAA rewrite of the U.S. air traffic control system.

>      There's a school of thought that if you're writing something that big,
>your approach is wrong, and you need to develop some abstraction that makes
>the job smaller and moves most of the specifics into some kind of database.

There's a school of thought that people who belong to the other school
of thought suffer from having never actually BUILT an air traffic control
system. ;-)

As far as developing abstractions that move the "specifics into some kind
of database", I find "some kind of database" to be rather vague. An air
traffic control system consists of a bewildering array of input sources
(e.g. various kinds of radar) with various signal processing requirements,
critical real time constraints, distributed heterogeneous networking,
and a host of other nasties. In short--they're COMPLICATED. And to top
it off, if they fail, people die. In large numbers. All at once.

It may seem surprising, but the folks that build these things actually
tend to be very bright, very motivated, and very concerned that they
do it correctly. They aren't boobs, and there's a REASON why the code
is big. They're not just writing code to write code. Whenever I hear
someone say that these systems are "too big", I'm reminded of the scene
in "Amadeus" where the emperor chides Mozart for using "too many notes",
to which Mozart replies "Which notes would you have me remove, Sire?".
Which lines of code would you have removed from an air traffic control
system? The display code that manages the screens? The error detection
and correction code? The code that interfaces with the various radars
and normalizes the incoming data? I'm sure there must be literally
hundreds of thousands of superfluous code in there somewhere...
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  reply	other threads:[~1991-06-25 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1991-06-12 16:47 c++ vs ada results alan dare
1991-06-12 19:15 ` Paul Martz
1991-06-12 20:17 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-13 20:49   ` Paul Kohlmiller
1991-06-13 23:12     ` Bruce Jones
1991-06-14 17:56   ` GNU c++ bashing (was Re: c++ vs ada results) Eli Brandt
1991-06-16  2:48   ` c++ vs ada results Russ Nelson
1991-06-16  4:10   ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18  4:17     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18  8:33       ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18 21:53         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18 12:28       ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-18 22:06         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-19 15:07           ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-19 17:00           ` Doug Smith
1991-06-20 14:08             ` Steve Juneau
1991-06-20 19:56               ` Robert I. Eachus
1991-06-21 17:27                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-20 22:09               ` Paul Stachour
1991-06-21 17:03                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-23  3:14                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:13                 ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:01               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-20 14:35             ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Alex Blakemore
1991-06-21 12:40               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H house ron
1991-06-21 15:47                 ` chief programmer team organizations Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Software Release Engr}
1991-06-21 22:25                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:18                   ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:04               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Lars P. Fischer
1991-06-23  3:17                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 13:23                 ` Jim Hargrove
1991-06-21 22:21               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-22  2:14               ` John Nagle
1991-06-23  3:23                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 13:21                   ` David Feustel
1991-06-23 18:54                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:30                     ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  4:00                   ` Marco S Hyman
1991-06-24 20:23                     ` Stanley Friesen
1991-06-26  0:37                       ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 20:29                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 18:29                   ` John Nagle
1991-06-25 18:38                     ` Jim Showalter [this message]
1991-06-25 19:30                       ` Christopher Warack
1991-06-25 20:06                     ` chief programmer team organizations John Baldwin
1991-06-24  9:36                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) George C. Harrison, Norfolk State University
1991-06-25 13:42                   ` Harry Erwin
1991-06-26 16:15                 ` Bob Martin
1991-06-19 18:36           ` c++ vs ada results Jim Showalter
1991-06-19 15:01         ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  2:29         ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-24 10:06           ` David Emery
1991-06-24 13:16           ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-25  4:29           ` Tom McClory
1991-06-26  0:35             ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26  1:26             ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-26 22:47               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:47                 ` Alex Blakemore
1991-06-27 23:58                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-25 19:27           ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 23:59       ` CBW Consulting
1991-06-24 20:11         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-12 21:27 ` Dan L. Pierson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1991-06-24 23:59 chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Chuck Shotton
1991-06-26  0:56 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26  8:35   ` Orville R. Weyrich
1991-06-27 15:39   ` David M Geary
1991-06-28  0:10     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-28 16:06       ` David M Geary
1991-06-27 19:37   ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-25 14:40 John McHugh
1991-06-26  5:19 Chuck Shotton
1991-06-26 17:00 Jim ADCOCK
1991-07-03  1:48 Jim Showalter
1991-07-03  3:09 Michael Feldman
1991-07-03  3:11 Michael Feldman
1991-07-03 16:10 gdtltr@limbo.org (The Befuddled One)
1991-07-04 14:49 Ralph Reid III
1991-07-12 14:01 cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!mstr!mstr!jcm
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