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From: tmcclory@eve.wright.edu (Tom McClory)
Subject: Re: c++ vs ada results
Date: 25 Jun 91 04:29:31 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1991Jun25.002928.16897@eve.wright.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3776@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au

In article <3776@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> andrewd@chook.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Dunstan) writes:
>In article <1991Jun18.122812.18190@eua.ericsson.se>,
>euamts@eua.ericsson.se (Mats Henricson) writes:
>
>|> I have so far only done programming as a library designer, and I think that
>|> is *VERY* difficult if you try to produce code that is:
>|> a) fast
>|> b) not wasting memory
>|> c) usable
>|> d) reusable (in terms of subclasses)
>|> e) etc
>|> f) etc
>|> g) etc
>|> 
>
>Yes, but writing libraries should not be so hard. It isn't in Ada.
>You've really made a point in Ada's favour.
>

I strongly disagree with Andrew Dunstan that "writing" reusable
libraries is any easier in Ada than other languages.  The issue isn't
the coding, but the designing.

Writing truly reusable libraries that balance the conflicting tradeoffs 
Mats Henricson describes is a very difficult design problem that is 
independent of the programming language used.  Grady Booch in his 
recent book _Object_Oriented_Design_ does a very nice job explaining why.

As an example of how difficult writing such libraries are, even in Ada,
check out the book _Software_Components_with_Ada_ also written by Booch.  
It is very evident that much thought, talent, and experience went into 
designing a collection of reusable data structures and common utilities.  
The data structures in his book, linked lists, queues, stacks, trees,
graphs, etc. are the stuff most data structures course are made of.
But designing for introduces many more important design decisions as
Mats Henricson notes.  In fact, it can be argued that since it is
optional for compiler vendors to implement garbage collection in the 
compiler runtime support, designing reusable components for Ada is *more* 
difficult. Any component that creates and destroys many instances during 
execution must itself perform the garbage collection.  The designer of
such a component must take this into account during design and during
implementation.  All "object oriented" languages I'm familiar with
(Smalltalk, C++, Eiffel) provide garbage collection to remove this
burden from the programmer.

Regards,

Tom McClory

  parent reply	other threads:[~1991-06-25  4:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1991-06-12 16:47 c++ vs ada results alan dare
1991-06-12 19:15 ` Paul Martz
1991-06-12 20:17 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-13 20:49   ` Paul Kohlmiller
1991-06-13 23:12     ` Bruce Jones
1991-06-14 17:56   ` GNU c++ bashing (was Re: c++ vs ada results) Eli Brandt
1991-06-16  2:48   ` c++ vs ada results Russ Nelson
1991-06-16  4:10   ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18  4:17     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18  8:33       ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18 21:53         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18 12:28       ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-18 22:06         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-19 15:07           ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-19 17:00           ` Doug Smith
1991-06-20 14:08             ` Steve Juneau
1991-06-20 19:56               ` Robert I. Eachus
1991-06-21 17:27                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-20 22:09               ` Paul Stachour
1991-06-21 17:03                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-23  3:14                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:13                 ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:01               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-20 14:35             ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Alex Blakemore
1991-06-21 12:40               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H house ron
1991-06-21 15:47                 ` chief programmer team organizations Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Software Release Engr}
1991-06-21 22:25                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:18                   ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:04               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Lars P. Fischer
1991-06-23  3:17                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 13:23                 ` Jim Hargrove
1991-06-21 22:21               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-22  2:14               ` John Nagle
1991-06-23  3:23                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 13:21                   ` David Feustel
1991-06-23 18:54                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:30                     ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  4:00                   ` Marco S Hyman
1991-06-24 20:23                     ` Stanley Friesen
1991-06-26  0:37                       ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 20:29                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 18:29                   ` John Nagle
1991-06-25 18:38                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-25 19:30                       ` Christopher Warack
1991-06-25 20:06                     ` chief programmer team organizations John Baldwin
1991-06-24  9:36                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) George C. Harrison, Norfolk State University
1991-06-25 13:42                   ` Harry Erwin
1991-06-26 16:15                 ` Bob Martin
1991-06-19 18:36           ` c++ vs ada results Jim Showalter
1991-06-19 15:01         ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  2:29         ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-24 10:06           ` David Emery
1991-06-24 13:16           ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-25  4:29           ` Tom McClory [this message]
1991-06-26  0:35             ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26  1:26             ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-26 22:47               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:47                 ` Alex Blakemore
1991-06-27 23:58                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-25 19:27           ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 23:59       ` CBW Consulting
1991-06-24 20:11         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-12 21:27 ` Dan L. Pierson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1991-06-20 16:24 Chuck Shotton
1991-06-22  3:24 ` Thomas M. Breuel
     [not found] <164741@<1991Jun12>
1991-06-20 17:58 ` ryer
1991-06-24 14:44 ` ryer
1991-06-27 12:34 Chuck Shotton
1991-06-27 18:24 Ray Diederich, 301-294-8400
1991-07-01  5:15 Andrew Dunstan
1991-08-13 14:29 cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.e
1991-08-13 22:08 David Emery
1991-08-14  5:03 Mike Feldman
1991-08-14 14:41 Fred Stluka
1991-08-14 18:25 Doug Smith
1991-08-14 18:40 cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!
1991-08-14 19:15 Doug Smith
1991-08-14 20:15 Jim Showalter
1991-08-15 13:30 Paul Baker - CTA
1991-08-15 15:40 Andy Davidson
1991-08-16 17:56 Doug Smith
1991-08-29 16:54 David Emery
1991-08-30  7:24 Ma ts Henricson
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