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From: jls@netcom.COM (Jim Showalter)
Subject: Re: c++ vs ada results
Date: 18 Jun 91 22:06:09 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1991Jun18.220609.19103@netcom.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1991Jun18.122812.18190@eua.ericsson.se

>I have started to see two different kinds of programmers in C++:
>1. Library designers
>2. Library users

>The first kind of programmers is doing some tricky nasty hacking behind the
>scenes of the interface of the classes, to satisfy the second kind of users.

>I have so far only done programming as a library designer, and I think that
>is *VERY* difficult
 if you try to produce code that is:
>a) fast
>b) not wasting memory
>c) usable
>d) reusable (in terms of subclasses)
>e) etc
>f) etc
>g) etc

>If you, on the other hand, have a well designed class library to build from,
>I think C++ is a beautiful and easy language to use.

This is an excellent point, and mirrors my own experiences with Ada. I imagine
similar things are true of Eiffel, Modula-3, and any of the other modern
software engineering languages. There is nothing WRONG with this, but an
organization needs to recognize that with increased language complexity comes
a greatly increased ability for the average programmer to get in trouble.
It is against the hacker credo of universal egalitarianism to admit this,
but the simple truth is that some people are qualified to be architects
and some are not--and handing power tools to people only qualified to
hammer nails results both in poor construction and arterial bleeding.

One of the most successful Ada projects I'm aware of organized job
descriptions and responsibilities in such a way that a relatively small
number of exceptionally clever people was responsible for the architecture
(as captured in subsystem decomposition and subsystem interface specification),
each subsystem had a talented lead in charge of its implementation (but could
not alter the interfaces, which required an architectural decision), and
within each subsystem there was a team consisting of designers and programmers
(the designers designed package specs [class headers] and the programmers
implemented the bodies). It worked great...and one of the nicest things
about it was that it took the pressure OFF the folks who just wanted to
go program so that they didn't have to PRETEND to be architects. Nobody
felt insulted. Best of all, the staffing requirements when jobs are
set up this way are such that the availability of people is inversely
proportional to the expertise required--the less a person needs to know,
the more of them you hire, making it pretty simple to get the team
assembled (one or two hard-to-find architects, a small group of leads,
a bunch of programmers [many of them entry level and just starting to
learn the Ada language]).
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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1991-06-12 16:47 c++ vs ada results alan dare
1991-06-12 19:15 ` Paul Martz
1991-06-12 20:17 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-13 20:49   ` Paul Kohlmiller
1991-06-13 23:12     ` Bruce Jones
1991-06-14 17:56   ` GNU c++ bashing (was Re: c++ vs ada results) Eli Brandt
1991-06-16  2:48   ` c++ vs ada results Russ Nelson
1991-06-16  4:10   ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18  4:17     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18  8:33       ` Sean Eric Fagan
1991-06-18 21:53         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-18 12:28       ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-18 22:06         ` Jim Showalter [this message]
1991-06-19 15:07           ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-19 17:00           ` Doug Smith
1991-06-20 14:08             ` Steve Juneau
1991-06-20 19:56               ` Robert I. Eachus
1991-06-21 17:27                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-20 22:09               ` Paul Stachour
1991-06-21 17:03                 ` David M Geary
1991-06-23  3:14                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:13                 ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:01               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-20 14:35             ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Alex Blakemore
1991-06-21 12:40               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H house ron
1991-06-21 15:47                 ` chief programmer team organizations Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Software Release Engr}
1991-06-21 22:25                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results)H Jim Showalter
1991-06-26 22:18                   ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-21 22:04               ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) Lars P. Fischer
1991-06-23  3:17                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 13:23                 ` Jim Hargrove
1991-06-21 22:21               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-22  2:14               ` John Nagle
1991-06-23  3:23                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 13:21                   ` David Feustel
1991-06-23 18:54                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:30                     ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  4:00                   ` Marco S Hyman
1991-06-24 20:23                     ` Stanley Friesen
1991-06-26  0:37                       ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 20:29                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-24 18:29                   ` John Nagle
1991-06-25 18:38                     ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-25 19:30                       ` Christopher Warack
1991-06-25 20:06                     ` chief programmer team organizations John Baldwin
1991-06-24  9:36                 ` chief programmer team organizations was (c++ vs ada results) George C. Harrison, Norfolk State University
1991-06-25 13:42                   ` Harry Erwin
1991-06-26 16:15                 ` Bob Martin
1991-06-19 18:36           ` c++ vs ada results Jim Showalter
1991-06-19 15:01         ` Dan Weinreb
1991-06-24  2:29         ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-24 10:06           ` David Emery
1991-06-24 13:16           ` Mats Henricson
1991-06-25  4:29           ` Tom McClory
1991-06-26  0:35             ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-26  1:26             ` Andrew Dunstan
1991-06-26 22:47               ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-27 15:47                 ` Alex Blakemore
1991-06-27 23:58                   ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-25 19:27           ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-23 23:59       ` CBW Consulting
1991-06-24 20:11         ` Jim Showalter
1991-06-12 21:27 ` Dan L. Pierson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1991-06-20 16:24 Chuck Shotton
1991-06-22  3:24 ` Thomas M. Breuel
     [not found] <164741@<1991Jun12>
1991-06-20 17:58 ` ryer
1991-06-24 14:44 ` ryer
1991-06-27 12:34 Chuck Shotton
1991-06-27 18:24 Ray Diederich, 301-294-8400
1991-07-01  5:15 Andrew Dunstan
1991-08-13 14:29 cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.e
1991-08-13 22:08 David Emery
1991-08-14  5:03 Mike Feldman
1991-08-14 14:41 Fred Stluka
1991-08-14 18:25 Doug Smith
1991-08-14 18:40 cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!
1991-08-14 19:15 Doug Smith
1991-08-14 20:15 Jim Showalter
1991-08-15 13:30 Paul Baker - CTA
1991-08-15 15:40 Andy Davidson
1991-08-16 17:56 Doug Smith
1991-08-29 16:54 David Emery
1991-08-30  7:24 Ma ts Henricson
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