From: endrizzi@sctc.com (Michael Endrizzi )
Subject: Re: The Future of Ada
Date: 15 Aug 90 23:05:10 GMT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1990Aug15.230510.11640@sctc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: b.AKH3LJ@bse.com
eberard@bse.com (Edward V. Berard) writes:
>course, many things which are easier to accomplish in Ada), Ada
>provides you with all the control that C offers you -- and, very
>probably, much more. Just as an inexperienced C programmer might
I disagree for a different reason. In C, the user is responsible
for system build. In Ada, the library and assoc tools are
responsible for system build. If the library is corrupt, if the
tools don't work, you have lost control to the Ada environment.
This is not true with C.
Also, you are provided with a package that is shut tight
with limited private types and is a central module used by
the whole system. You need to have visibility to some
data object in that package. Proper software engineering
would require you to create a new routine. Reality says,
"If you cause a recompilation of the whole system, you will
piss off 20 programmers who are trying to work on a stable
system". C let's you hack it in. You gain control.
I'm NOT advocating this approach. I see it happen all the
time and I get the willys. I'm just saying it is an
advantage (puke ugh gag).
>"C hackers," I think you are indulging in fantasy. I have
>seen plenty of C programs which destroyed not only themselves,
You misread my statement. I agree with you completely.
>Please don't get sucked into the classic apples and oranges
>comparison of C and Ada systems:
I don't think that I am. I am trying to convince my company
to switch from a glorified assembler "C" to a real software
engineering tool. I have to compare the advantages/disadvantages
of the two. Right now I don't have any advantages to show them.
For those of you who don't know Ed, if you ever meet him ask
him for a reference for some literary material. He will quote
you book, paragraph, page, section, author, year, etc. Never
would play poker with that man.
Dreez
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1990-08-15 18:49 The Future of Ada Edward V. Berard
1990-08-15 23:05 ` Michael Endrizzi [this message]
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