Re: was compiler bashing

[endrizzi@sctc.com (Michael Endrizzi )]

karl@grebyn.com (Karl A. Nyberg) writes:

>If we're going to have to play compiler/vendor bashing here...

>In article <1990Aug9.191734.11633@sctc.com> endrizzi@sctc.com (Michael Endrizzi ) writes:
>>I have been using VADS Version 5 Unix self-hosting for 7 months now and
>>I cannot take it anymore. 

>Any self-hosted compiler in particular?  Brand of computer, version of
>operating system, more accurate revision level of compiler?  I'll give you a
>dollar for it if you want to sell... :-)

Version 5 Verdix, Sun Unix 4.0.3 running on Sun 3/60. Reports about
Version 6 are not very encouraging.

>masochism for the past seven months, why start complaining now...

Because as it turns out I am not the only one. My request for information
was answered by others that are experiencing the same level of difficulties.
And it's not just Verdix, several others were mentioned (I won't name 
them because I did not use them). 

>No.  But it's not the only compiler.  I have found this true with numerous
>compilers.

Alsys just called me. They were very diplomatic about commenting on other
compiler vendors simply stating that "our compiler will speak for itself".
We'll see.

>... or language.  Surprise, surprise - I even have to work around bugs in
>the GNU cc.

We use GNU cc extensively and have very very few problems. It's an apples
and oranges game because Ada is suck a complex language.

>This is from mail years (literally ago) when I was actually semi-moderating
>info-ada and the same sort of thing started up with TeleSoft.

>	We here at TeleSoft whole-heartedly agree with your posting that
>	asked people NOT to submit compiler questions/results/complaints
>	over info-ada [/comp.lang.ada].  Hopefully, people will follow this
>	wonderful advice and save both your time and theirs.

>  [ stuff is deleted ]

This is BS. The net is a public bulletin board and ANY manufacture
should be PROUD to have their product reviewed in a public forum.
Other forums (rec.audio,rec.video,rec.cars(??),comp.database) publicly bash and praise 
products, why can't a piece of software???  Only manufacturers
who are trying protect their backsides would make such a statement
as above. Reminds me of GM trying to fending off the Japanese by
hiding their dirty laundry underneath marketing blitz's and
voluntary restraints. In the end, the truth stands, and quality
products are rewarded by the marketplace.

I do submit bug reports. If any of the problems I am experiencing
are my fault, PLEASE let me know so I can fix it. Maybe others
went through the same problems and resolved it. By posting complaints,
Verdix is not the only one with it's neck on the line. What if the
problems I am complaining about are my fault?? Makes me look pretty
stupid, too. However, in this case others have stated that they too
are having similar problems. 

				Dreez

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