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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:43:10 +0200
Date: 2012-10-07T20:43:10+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1930oitnyzms0$.1maochag0ph87.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com

On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:34:51 -0700 (PDT), Patrick wrote:

> I wanted to use it for embedded design(as in baremetal) but no free of
> cost version lets me do that.

Why would you expect that? I mean the evaluation board, BSP, C cross
compiler, they are not free. Why Ada compiler should be?

> There is a new driver tutorial out for Minix3 and I was thinking about
> writing a driver but I can't do that either. There is no gnat on Minix and
> you can't cross compile for minix from Windows/Linux etc.. so I don't know
> how to get ada on it...

Ask AdaCore or switch to VxWorks. Neither would be for free, of course.
 
> No solution will be easy but I was hoping to start a hypothetical discussion on solutions.
> 
> For instance:
> 
> 1)If we had a Ada runtime written in C, then we could cross compile with GCC as-is no?

No
 
> 2)ASM is not really portable but surely some flavours must be, If we had a
> converter, we could cross compile at the ASM stage no?

No
 
> I have only two :(
>
> Does anyone have some more ideas?

3) Don't buy any hardware for which there is no Ada compiler. It is
economically infeasible unless you are going to ship thousands of boards.
In the latter case, you would have enough funding to order a BSP and an Ada
compiler for it.

There is a mental block most people have. They see only the hardware,
assuming software kind of non-essential. But the costs of software
developing, testing and maintenance are far bigger than ones of the
hardware. Except for hard physical constraints (e.g. power consumption,
weight, durability etc), hardware choice is subordinate.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



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2012-10-07 17:34 Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Patrick
2012-10-07 18:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2012-10-07 22:35   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08  7:35     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:10       ` The Ada community's attitude, was: " Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:20     ` pavel.klinkovsky
2012-10-12 12:09     ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:47       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:59         ` Lucretia
2012-10-16 20:05           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-16 20:10             ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 14:14             ` Lucretia
2012-10-18 17:05               ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 13:28       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11  4:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-07 18:49 ` Shark8
2012-10-07 20:21   ` Patrick
2012-10-08  7:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 11:28       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 12:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 13:00         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 13:57           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 14:02             ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:53             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-08 20:27             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-08 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 14:22             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 14:30               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 16:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 16:54                   ` Patrick
2012-10-08 18:22                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 18:29                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:27                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 20:44                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:59                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 12:16                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:06                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 16:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-18 21:53                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19 11:23                               ` Mark Lorenzen
2012-10-19 14:09                               ` Patrick
2012-10-19 14:47                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 14:56                                   ` Patrick
2012-10-19 15:04                                     ` Vinzent Höfler
2012-10-19 17:30                                     ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-19 18:07                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 19:05                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-19 19:14                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 18:24                                     ` Anh Vo
2012-10-19 18:40                                       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-10-19 21:44                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 22:28                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-20 10:57                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-20 23:08                                         ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-19 15:38                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-19 22:08                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24  9:56                               ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 11:21                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-24 13:13                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-24 16:16                                     ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:27                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 16:41                                         ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:57                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 17:36                                             ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 17:55                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-24 21:17                                           ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24 22:08                                             ` Paul Rubin
     [not found]                                               ` <4dqg885bcf05isnup07a28jrq8lbq5fknd@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-24 22:31                                                 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-25  8:42                                               ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-29 14:51                                   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 23:04                           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 23:07                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  8:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 21:28                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-08 23:58                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:59                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  8:02                             ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09  8:06                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10  5:56                               ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-10  6:48                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  7:06                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-10  8:17                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-12 12:27                               ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:45                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:58                                   ` Lucretia
2012-10-09  8:10                             ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-10 15:26                               ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-08  9:36                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-08 13:52                                 ` Rego, P.
2012-11-08 21:50                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-09  1:24                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-11-09 10:16                                   ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-10  8:05                                     ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]                                       ` <ulat9855qcom15kt7lk68rsidf44uau4q5@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-11-15  1:21                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-12-17 16:33                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-17 17:57                                   ` Shark8
2012-12-25  9:29                                   ` Paul Rubin
2012-12-26 10:38                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-25 10:11                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-12-26 10:40                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-08 19:17                       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:16                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:57                           ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 12:31                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:51                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 13:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:04                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 13:18                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:53                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 17:08                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 18:26                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 20:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 23:23                                   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10  7:36                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-10 13:13                                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 13:45                                         ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10 15:44                                         ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 17:52                                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 15:40                                       ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 16:09                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11  9:41                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 12:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:29                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2012-10-09 12:55                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]                           ` <hok878l1k7s5i37k8uejv91t82ad41pipg@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-09 17:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 15:44                           ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 16:20                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:55                               ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 20:29                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 20:49                         ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-11 15:22                       ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 15:52                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 16:00                           ` Patrick
2012-10-11 16:31                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:52                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-16 20:15                         ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 22:33                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-18 22:52                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:14                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19  0:46                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:58                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 22:49                           ` Tero Koskinen
2012-10-22 14:25                           ` mjsilva
     [not found]                             ` <be26881c-6662-4830-b86f-34a7d8b25bf4@googlegroups.com>
2012-10-22 15:04                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-16 20:08                       ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-08 18:34                     ` Simon Wright
2012-10-08 18:57                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-07 20:33 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-11 16:22   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 12:02 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:48   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-09  3:24   ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:44     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  5:52     ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08  8:07       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-09 12:29         ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-09 12:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-11-20 21:25         ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-20 22:15           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-11-21 16:18           ` Lucretia
2012-10-10 11:04 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11 17:44 ` mjsilva
2012-10-16 20:13   ` phone.john.kern
2012-11-07 14:02 ` Kristoffer Nyborg Gregertsen
2013-01-02  7:01 ` Diogenes
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