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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Inherited Methods and such
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:38:11 +0200
Date: 2007-09-30T10:38:12+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18raoy77i431w.1diy3loydmq9h$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1191099160.227234.125330@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:52:40 -0700, Maciej Sobczak wrote:

> On 29 Wrz, 22:35, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> 1. It breaks encapsulation as you should make the record nature of type
>> public.
> 
> Why it would make any difference?
> The type is tagged and this is known. If it's tagged, then it has the
> record nature - no way and no reason to hide it.

It is a language fault that there are types which cannot be
user-constructed. The problem is that if you tried to fix the language, for
example by allowing a task object being shut down when finalized, you would
make them all records. Is it LISP or Ada?

>> 2. The base type cannot enforce vital construction code, when records are
>> exposed.
> 
> I don't understand this part.

If the object is just a record I can assemble it in any available way. And
there are many of them. You will have a difficult design problem to ensure
that all these ways do call your construction code. For example: 

Uninitialized base:

   X : Base;
begin
   return (X with ...) do ... end record;

Worked-around base:

   return (X'(Xs_Base with Something) with ...) do ... end record;

>> 4. Dispatch upon construction completion and before destruction beginning
>> is still impossible.

> Why?

It goes this way:

  return (Base with Mine) do My-take end record;

But the [class-wide] code to execute should be placed after "end record," 
IFF there is no following derived type under construction. Only compiler
magic can help here.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-30  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-17 14:26 Inherited Methods and such shaunpatterson
2007-09-17 15:11 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-17 16:46   ` shaunpatterson
2007-09-17 19:07     ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-17 20:22   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-17 21:07     ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-18 14:27       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18 14:27       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18 15:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18 18:34           ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-18 19:29             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18 19:39               ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-18 20:49                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18 21:10               ` Simon Wright
2007-09-18 20:39           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18 21:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-19 14:49               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-19 15:16                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-19 22:13                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-20  8:12                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-20 13:52                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-20 16:22                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-20 20:45                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-21 18:59                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-21 21:02                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-22  8:48                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-22 21:53                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-23  8:41                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-23 20:36                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-24  9:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-24 15:02                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-24 19:20                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25 20:53                                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 10:42                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-26 21:31                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-27 15:02                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-27 21:02                                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 12:21                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-26 12:54                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-26 21:37                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 23:47                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-27 21:08                                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28  0:44                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-28 20:32                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28 22:35                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-29 23:58                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-26 12:26                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-26 21:50                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-26 22:20                                                     ` Ray Blaak
2007-09-27  0:01                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-27 13:39                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-27 14:54                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-28  0:35                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]                                                           ` <7p6gc1s9imfa$.kmvwf5zyf8e9.dlg@40tude.net>
2007-09-28 22:53                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-29 20:37                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-27 21:23                                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28 19:12                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-28 19:02                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-28 19:42                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-28 20:44                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-28 22:40                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-29 20:35                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-29 20:52                                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-30  8:38                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2007-09-29 23:47                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-29 20:48                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-29 23:39                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-30  8:38                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-29 23:42                                                           ` Robert A Duff
2007-09-25  1:59                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:59                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25 21:02                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-26 12:42                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-18  4:03 ` Steve
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