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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: and then... (a curiosity)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:44:39 +0200
Date: 2008-09-03T14:44:39+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18hwarztig2qb$.1dn5of8tr3zjy.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.64.0809031512330.17323@medsec1.medien.uni-weimar.de

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:14:15 +0200, stefan-lucks@see-the.signature wrote:

>>> A short-circuit "and" (instead of "and then") would not remove that choice
>>> -- see the "much better style" above.
>> 
>> But it would break the mathematical purity of "and".
> 
> Well, if "False and F(X)" is allowed to raise an exception, this is even 
> worse (more far away from mathematical purity) than if "False and F(X)" is 
> just false -- whatever F(X) would do.

Well, it depends. Consider:

   function F (...) return Boolean; -- May raise Some_Error exception

This breaks the contract that promises a *Boolean* result. Mathematically
it means that the result is not Boolean but a value from some other type
Boolean_Ex is (False, True, Some_Error_Fired). Here Some_Error_Fired is an
ideal "value" of Some_Error being propagated. But then "and" is also broken
in its arguments and the result. In particular for "and" defined on
Boolean_Ex and returning Boolean_Ex, the theorem

   False and X <=> X

does not hold anymore. Therefore it cannot be implied. A similar logic
applies to side effects. You just do the Cartesian product of the effect
and the written set of values. This becomes the "true" set of values.

As somebody already pointed out. People using "and" on arguments with side
effects, are fooling themselves and those who are to read the program.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-03 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-29 21:06 and then... (a curiosity) mockturtle
2008-08-29 21:47 ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-08-30 21:28   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-08-31  8:28     ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-08-31 23:21       ` Ray Blaak
2008-09-01  8:05     ` Martin Krischik
2008-09-01 17:56       ` Ray Blaak
2008-09-02  6:53         ` Martin Krischik
2008-09-02 14:56           ` Adam Beneschan
2008-09-02 16:28             ` Ray Blaak
2008-09-02 16:26           ` Ray Blaak
2008-09-02 20:50             ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-03 12:35               ` Brian Drummond
2008-09-03 15:56                 ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-04 22:09                   ` Brian Drummond
2008-09-03 21:01               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2008-09-02 14:50     ` Adam Beneschan
2008-08-29 22:28 ` Adam Beneschan
2008-08-30  1:06   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-08-30 11:21   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-08-30 15:35     ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-09-02 15:06       ` Adam Beneschan
2008-09-02  3:41 ` Steve
2008-09-02  7:48   ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-02  8:57     ` Martin Krischik
2008-09-02 10:50       ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-02 10:33         ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-09-02 13:32           ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-02 12:53             ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-09-02 17:32               ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-09-03 13:14               ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-03 12:44                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2008-09-02 13:39             ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-02 13:40             ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-02 16:48             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-02 17:00             ` Keith Thompson
2008-09-02 19:15               ` Simon Wright
2008-09-02 20:37               ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-02 20:58                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-09-02 21:08                   ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-03 12:24                     ` Pascal Obry
2008-09-02 22:34                   ` Santiago Urueña
2008-09-03  5:56                     ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-03  6:55                       ` Santiago Urueña
2008-09-03 14:14                       ` Adam Beneschan
2008-09-03  0:11                 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-09-02 17:20             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-09-04  1:05         ` Stephen Leake
2008-09-04  6:45           ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-04  7:35             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-04 12:04               ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-04 13:00                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-04 19:05                   ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-04 20:28                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-05  6:57                       ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-05  6:34                         ` Ray Blaak
2008-09-05 14:14                     ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-05 15:04                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-07 16:45                         ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-05 15:14                       ` Hyman Rosen
2008-09-05 15:59                         ` Adam Beneschan
2008-09-05 16:10                           ` Hyman Rosen
2008-09-07 16:36                       ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-07 16:08                         ` Gautier
2008-09-04  7:39             ` Karel Th�nissen
2008-09-04 12:12               ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-04 15:13                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-09-04 15:16                 ` Karel Th�nissen
2008-09-04 15:42                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-04 19:27                   ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-04 19:43                     ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-04 19:40                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-09-05  7:00                         ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-05  6:35                           ` Ray Blaak
2008-09-04 20:06                       ` Karel Th�nissen
2008-09-05  7:44                         ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-05  6:41                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2008-09-04 20:09                     ` Karel Th�nissen
2008-09-05  7:25                       ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-05  6:37                         ` Ray Blaak
2008-09-05  8:20                           ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-05 13:57                         ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-04 16:33                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-04 19:31                   ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-04 19:59                     ` Karel Th�nissen
2008-09-05  7:27                       ` stefan-lucks
2008-09-05  8:38                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-09-04 20:17                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-09-05 13:26                 ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-05 13:49                   ` Robert A Duff
2008-09-03  1:24     ` Stephen Leake
2008-09-03  3:31       ` tmoran
2008-09-03 13:22       ` stefan-lucks
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