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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: STM32F4 Discovery, communication and libraries
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:41:30 +0200
Date: 2014-08-27T09:41:30+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16yza1ilbvqht.13yvkjtrl3l2.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 60a42dc6-d8d0-4432-ae5a-86de18b82840@googlegroups.com

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:38:33 -0700 (PDT), roy.emmerich@gmail.com wrote:

> [Mike]
> I know that AdaCore is working on comms libraries for the ARM Cortex M
> parts, but I don't know anything about the projected availability.

What "comms" libraries? Basically it does not make sense to have a library
beyond system's port I/O driver, because higher-level protocols have
nothing in common, e.g. AK, CSLIP, ModBus.

> [Roy]
> If they want adopters then they'd better get a move on!
> 
> 2. [UNSOLVED?] Libraries/examples: MODBUS RTU/Eth at the very least

ModBus is very straightforward to implement from scratch. There exist
commercial libraries of course, but you want it for free, I guess...

> I have yet to find a repository of libraries covering the major protocols
> (e.g. MODBUS, CAN, one-wire). There are quite a few in C. Would it be
> viable to just wrap these in Ada?

It depends. Usually middle-layer transports like ModBus, CAN have no use
without integration into some middleware framework. It is a bad idea to
communicate directly to them from the application, even if through a vendor
library.

Then, regarding CAN, the real problems are in the configuration, e.g. DBC
parsing or handling CANOpen. It is a very complicated stuff, which would be
very difficult to handle in an application without a middleware abstracting
away the mess.

And all protocols have issues with polling/event handling policy, you
wouldn't burden the application with that.

> It seems like a great short term
> solution but if we are using Ada to make things more stable, it hardly
> makes sense to use it merely to wrap (flakey) C libraries ;)

You will need lower-level vendor libraries, which are vendor (Vector, IXXAT
etc, I don't know what is the status of Linux CAN driver for ARM boards)
dependent and higher-level libraries implementing the upper-level protocols
like CANOpen.

> I'd appreciate any further feedback from members of this list.

I would try to use a Linux instead of running bare board. Debian for ARM is
available. It has a fully working GNAT FSF. [We successfully ran our
middleware (100% Ada) on an ARM board.]

AFAIK, AdaCore offers a cross compiler to ARM Linux. (It is a pain to use
native ARM GNAT).

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-27  7:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-26 22:38 STM32F4 Discovery, communication and libraries roy.emmerich
2014-08-27  2:40 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-08-27 12:35   ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-27  7:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2014-08-27 13:35   ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-27 16:00     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-27 13:08 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-08-27 15:44   ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-28  1:37     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-08-27 16:03   ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-28  1:48     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-08-28 10:12       ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-28 13:00         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-28 16:28           ` Mike Silva
2014-08-28 17:03             ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-28 20:09             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-28 20:34               ` embeddedrelatedmike
2014-08-29  7:34                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-29 15:59                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-29 16:59                     ` [OT] Ravenscar (the place, not profile), was: " Simon Clubley
2014-08-29 17:18                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-29 17:31                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-08-30 14:55                           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-08-29 17:59                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-08-29 23:30                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-30 11:25                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-08-31 11:09                           ` Phil Thornley
2014-08-30 12:36                         ` Peter Chapin
2014-08-31 18:37                         ` Dirk Craeynest
2014-08-31 19:38                           ` Simon Clubley
2014-08-29 17:24                   ` Mike Silva
2014-08-29 23:35                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-29 13:06                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-08-29 16:52                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-31  0:49                     ` Shark8
2014-08-28 21:17               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-29  0:07                 ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-29 17:58                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-29  7:41                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-29 16:31                   ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-29 16:47                     ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-29 19:41                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-30 22:00                         ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-31 10:08                           ` Simon Wright
2014-09-01 20:15                           ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-01 21:11                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-08-31  4:54                       ` gvdschoot
2014-09-09 19:17                         ` Roy Emmerich
2014-09-09 20:20                           ` Mike Silva
     [not found]                             ` <a54dcc42-d4e2-4d53-b381-2bb7a0eef1ee@googlegroups.com>
2014-09-10  1:41                               ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-09-10  8:52                                 ` Roy Emmerich
2014-09-10 13:05                                   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-09-10 17:16                                     ` Simon Wright
     [not found]                               ` <a2e59fce-751c-46a0-90f3-80430c627732@googlegroups.com>
2014-09-10  7:22                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-09-10  9:35                                 ` Roy Emmerich
2014-09-10 14:11                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-10 17:46                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-09-10 18:37                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-09-11  9:53                                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-11 17:19                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-09-10 20:58                               ` Brian Drummond
2014-09-10 23:40                                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-08-29 16:58                     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-31  7:02                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-31 15:44                       ` Brad Moore
2014-08-31 16:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-09-01 16:15                           ` Brad Moore
2014-09-01 16:42                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-31 18:41                       ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-01 16:42                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-09-01 17:21                           ` G.B.
2014-09-02  8:21                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-09-02 13:04                               ` G.B.
2014-09-02 14:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-09-02 16:44                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-09-02 19:02                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-02 23:19                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-09-03  1:40                                 ` gdotone
2014-09-04  9:26                                   ` Roy Emmerich
2014-09-04 17:58                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-05 11:47                                       ` Simon Clubley
2014-09-09 19:04                                         ` Roy Emmerich
2014-09-01 18:39                           ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-02  8:19                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-28 13:10         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-08-29  2:52           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-09-20 20:50   ` David Thompson
2014-08-27 16:17 ` Mike Silva
2014-08-27 16:36   ` Roy Emmerich
2014-08-27 16:58     ` Simon Clubley
2014-08-29 19:36 ` johnscpg
2014-08-30 15:06   ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-02 21:40 ` rrr.eee.27
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