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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Things that OO programming lacks
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:44:43 +0100
Date: 2014-11-17T09:44:43+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <160lx4e9clifl.1kcusbxaei4r0$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: lyfvdianse.fsf@pushface.org

On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:33:21 +0000, Simon Wright wrote:

> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes:
> 
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:54:06 +0000, Simon Wright wrote:
>>
>>> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes:
>>> 
>>>> I didn't list event-driven AKA data-driven paradigm in my list of
>>>> paradigms, since it is so horrific, that nobody should seriously
>>>> consider it as useful.
>>> 
>>> The event-driven approach to (real-time) software is the only way to
>>> build such systems: any other way is bound to lead to confusion and
>>> disaster.
>>
>> On the contrary, real-time software requires predictability, which
>> leads to rather to polling-based architectures oriented to the worst
>> case scenario.
> 
> My experience is with relatively soft real-time (I mean, the
> requirements from the system engineers were mostly quite a bit broader
> than was easily achievable).

Even so. I try to explain why I believe that event-driven is bad as a
paradigm. The fundamental problem with events is that they are not
composable. You can split an event into new events, but you cannot join
events. Where they came from, in physical processes, you can always combine
events because in the Newtonian physics time and values are continuous.
Thus you can group things into a process vector at will. This is not so in
digital computing. Let you have two signals X, Y and want to produce Z=X+Y.
This is a trivial task in procedural, functional OO decomposition (not in
relational one). With events, when X and Y are sampled (asynchronously),
digitized (stochastically) and propagated through the system layers
([bounded] random delays), this does not work. You immediately run into a
race condition. So even tasks considered trivial in other paradigms are
hard problems in the event-driven one.

P.S. Nonetheless, most of a hardware is event-driven and of software
middleware frameworks have an event-driven architecture.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

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2014-11-10  9:30 What exactly is the licensing situation with Gnat? Hubert
2014-11-10 10:03 ` Markus Schöpflin
2014-11-10 10:38 ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-11-10 11:09   ` Hubert
2014-11-10 11:19     ` Markus Schöpflin
2014-11-10 15:45       ` David Botton
2014-11-11  0:09         ` Hubert
2014-11-11 10:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-11 11:05             ` Hubert
2014-11-11 13:37           ` john
2014-11-11 22:52             ` Hubert
2014-11-11 23:10               ` David Botton
2014-11-11 23:25                 ` Alan Jump
2014-11-12  0:50                   ` David Botton
2014-11-12  1:02                     ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-12  7:09                       ` Gour
2014-11-12 11:06                         ` David Botton
2014-11-12  7:41                       ` Simon Wright
2014-11-13  1:30                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-12  1:15                     ` Hubert
2014-11-12  1:24                       ` David Botton
2014-11-12  1:33                         ` Hubert
2014-11-12  7:13                         ` Gour
2014-11-12 10:56                           ` David Botton
2014-11-12  8:12                         ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12  8:35                           ` Hubert
2014-11-12  9:25                             ` Mark Carroll
2014-11-12  9:37                               ` Hubert
2014-11-12 10:31                                 ` jm.tarrasa
2014-11-12 10:43                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-11-12 10:44                                   ` Hubert
2014-11-12 12:06                                     ` Gour
2014-11-12 12:38                                       ` David Botton
2014-11-12 15:23                                         ` Gour
2014-11-12 16:30                                           ` David Botton
2014-11-12 13:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-12 22:53                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 23:21                                       ` David Botton
2014-11-13  1:49                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  8:18                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13 21:51                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  8:36                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 22:24                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14 22:43                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-11-15  9:18                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18  0:37                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  9:04                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14  4:51                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  5:12                                           ` David Botton
2014-11-14  6:13                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  8:40                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 22:29                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-15  9:29                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15  9:40                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2014-11-15 11:18                                                     ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-15 11:36                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18  0:28                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  9:20                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18 22:25                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-19  9:10                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-19 23:59                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-20  9:53                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-20 21:23                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-21  9:38                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-21 22:12                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-22  9:21                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 17:32                                           ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-15 19:58                                             ` 'Image (was: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-18  0:39                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  8:20                                                 ` 'Image Björn Lundin
2014-11-18 22:29                                                   ` 'Image Randy Brukardt
2014-11-19 13:46                                               ` 'Image (was: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Brian Drummond
2014-11-19 14:21                                                 ` 'Image G.B.
2014-11-20 13:32                                                   ` 'Image Brian Drummond
2014-11-13  0:48                                       ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? sbelmont700
2014-11-13  1:31                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  1:29                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  8:03                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13 22:22                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13 16:26                                         ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-13 22:29                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  1:54                                       ` Hubert
2014-11-13  2:04                                         ` Hubert
2014-11-13  7:53                                         ` Luther Bogart
2014-11-13  7:58                                           ` Luther Bogart
2014-11-13 16:38                                         ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-13 21:57                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13 22:02                                           ` Mark Carroll
2014-11-13 22:43                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-11-14  1:36                                             ` Hubert
2014-11-14  4:45                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  5:24                                                 ` Hubert
2014-11-14  8:51                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14  9:02                                                 ` Stan Mills
2014-11-14 10:14                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 10:38                                                     ` Stan Mills
2014-11-14 12:57                                                       ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-14 22:33                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-17  8:28                                                         ` Stan Mills
2014-11-14 13:35                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 15:29                                                         ` Things that OO programming lacks (was: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) G.B.
2014-11-14 16:32                                                           ` Things that OO programming lacks Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 19:46                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-16 10:18                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-16 18:51                                                                 ` Shark8
2014-11-16 19:33                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 15:17                                                                 ` G.B.
2014-11-17 17:28                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 18:23                                                                     ` G.B.
2014-11-17 20:02                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-17 21:05                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18 10:14                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-18 13:42                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18 18:50                                                                             ` G.B.
2014-11-18 19:18                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 19:21                                                                     ` Shark8
2014-11-17 20:44                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-16 17:54                                                             ` Simon Wright
2014-11-16 19:01                                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-11-16 19:14                                                                 ` Simon Wright
2014-11-16 19:39                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-16 20:33                                                                 ` Simon Wright
2014-11-17  8:44                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2014-11-17 14:29                                                                     ` Simon Wright
2014-11-17 17:38                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17  8:36                                                         ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? Stan Mills
2014-11-17 11:03                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 14:20                                                             ` G.B.
2014-11-14  9:19                                                 ` Hubert
2014-11-14 10:30                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15  1:00                                                     ` Hubert
2014-11-15  1:24                                                       ` Hubert
2014-11-15  9:45                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 10:27                                                           ` Hubert
2014-11-15 19:44                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2014-11-15  7:22                                                       ` Gour
2014-11-15  9:57                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 10:51                                                           ` Gour
2014-11-15 11:26                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 12:41                                                               ` Gour
2014-11-15 13:18                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17  8:11                                                     ` Stan Mills
2014-11-17  8:28                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17  8:48                                                         ` Stan Mills
2014-11-17 10:40                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-13  8:03                                       ` Pete Ballmer
2014-11-13  8:41                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13  8:59                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-12 11:18                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-13  0:01                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-13  0:03                                     ` David Botton
2014-11-12 11:15                                 ` David Botton
2014-11-13 23:56                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-14  7:50                                     ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Gour
2014-11-14  7:57                                       ` community-based compiler Gour
2014-11-14 14:53                                       ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 14:57                                         ` David Botton
2014-11-14 16:16                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 16:34                                             ` David Botton
2014-11-14 16:42                                               ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-16 19:30                                               ` community-based compiler Florian Weimer
2014-11-14 15:27                                         ` Gour
2014-11-14 16:16                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 16:26                                             ` Gour
2014-11-14 16:48                                               ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-16 19:31                                                 ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-14 16:03                                         ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Tero Koskinen
2014-11-14 22:40                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-15  1:07                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-15  8:08                                           ` community-based compiler Gour
2014-11-16 19:29                                         ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-14 17:13                                       ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Shark8
2014-11-14 18:55                                         ` David Botton
2014-11-14 20:53                                           ` Shark8
2014-11-14 21:07                                             ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 22:35                                               ` Shark8
2014-11-15  1:07                                                 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-18  0:52                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  3:06                                                     ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-18  9:25                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-18 22:33                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-15 12:44                                             ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-15 22:47                                               ` Shark8
2014-11-16 11:12                                                 ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-16 21:38                                                   ` Shark8
2014-11-17 11:28                                               ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-11-19 13:48                                                 ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-27 12:52                                                 ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-14 21:05                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14  8:25                                     ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? Pete Ballmer
2014-11-14 12:46                                       ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-15  8:47                                         ` Mart van de Wege
2014-11-16  9:32                                         ` Pete Ballmer
2014-11-16 19:41                                         ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-12 13:31                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-11-12 14:33                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-12 15:07                                     ` David Botton
2014-11-12 16:39                                       ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12 23:06                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 23:31                                       ` David Botton
2014-11-13  1:59                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  2:21                                           ` David Botton
2014-11-13 22:01                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 22:47                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 23:23                                   ` Britt
2014-11-13  2:10                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  5:13                                       ` Shark8
2014-11-13  9:43                                       ` Gour
2014-11-13 22:06                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13 23:37                                           ` Gour
2014-11-13 16:51                                     ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-13  7:46                                   ` George Curioso
2014-11-13 22:14                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  8:18                                       ` George Curioso
2014-11-12 10:53                             ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12 11:19                               ` David Botton
2014-11-12  8:16                         ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12  8:06                       ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12  8:26                         ` Hubert
2014-11-12  7:13                     ` Pascal Obry
2014-11-12  7:47                       ` Hubert
2014-11-12  9:08                       ` Thomas Jahrne
2014-11-12 10:19                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-12  9:30                       ` Mark Carroll
2014-11-12 11:05                       ` David Botton
2014-11-12 11:32                         ` Pascal Obry
2014-11-12 12:31                           ` David Botton
2014-11-12 13:17                             ` G.B.
2014-11-12 14:21                               ` David Botton
2014-11-12 18:31                                 ` john
2014-11-12 18:56                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-12 19:24                                     ` David Botton
2014-11-13  1:48                                   ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-13  7:40                                     ` Harry Bolger
2014-11-13  8:30                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13  8:41                                         ` Harry Bolger
2014-11-13  8:57                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13 14:30                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-13 19:19                                             ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-13 19:43                                               ` David Botton
2014-11-12  7:38                 ` Simon Wright
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