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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Ada.Command_Line and wildcards
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:56:31 +0100
Date: 2007-02-27T21:56:24+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13x0ov607spkz$.ix9loa809cqb$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1172587938.237094.134530@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com

On 27 Feb 2007 06:52:18 -0800, Hyman Rosen wrote:

> On Feb 26, 7:34 pm, "Randy Brukardt" <r...@rrsoftware.com> wrote:
>> The problem is that if it doesn't fit, you can't recover
> 
> Granted, but that's not really the point. On a modern computer system,
> given that it's reading input from a file or standard input, the
> programmer can reasonably expect that there are at least many tens of
> megabytes available to be allocated. Sure there can be inputs that
> will exceed that, but then you're really in a different domain.
> 
> Think of it this way - when you decide to sort data, you need to
> choose between internal and external sorts. You can't do that without
> a notion of a threshold size. Clearly that size has increased over the
> years. Reading input is similar. Many programs can now very reasonably
> expect to read in their entire input into memory at once before
> processing any of it, and if that's not going to work because of
> allocation on the stack then there should be an alternative.

But Pascal's point still apply here. The size you are talking about, is it
just a programmer's expectation or a fact derived from the domain?

This nice-looking feature could provoke false expectations resulting in
poorly designed programs. I am undecided here.

P.S. Reading files into memory is a plague of modern programs. I remember a
problem of reading 3-4GB log file under Windows. Most of editors just
crashed after 20 minutes of hard work. And those rare who survived blocked
UI until reading the file to the end.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-02-27 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-21 20:43 Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Gautier
2007-02-21 20:59 ` (see below)
2007-02-22  1:13   ` Marc A. Criley
2007-02-22  2:08   ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22  5:59     ` (see below)
2007-02-22  8:16   ` gautier_niouzes
2007-02-22 10:25     ` Simon Wright
2007-02-22 11:02     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2007-02-24  6:34       ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 11:46         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24 14:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-24 16:45             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24 20:08               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24 20:45                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-25  0:39                   ` Björn Persson
2007-02-25 16:29                   ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 20:26               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-25  7:46               ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-25 13:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-05  1:07             ` Brian May
2007-03-05  1:39               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06  3:48                 ` Brian May
2007-03-05 12:16               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-05 13:20                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06 12:56                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-06 15:07                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-07 22:06                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-08  5:07                         ` Simon Wright
2007-03-08  9:19                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-08  9:28                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-08  9:16                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 13:33                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-09 17:11                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 18:22                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-09 19:02                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 20:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-10 10:40                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-11  0:15                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-11  7:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-11 14:55                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-12 13:32                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-12 14:14                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-03-12 15:08                                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-16  8:06                                           ` Brian May
2007-03-16 12:53                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-10  2:12                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-03-10 10:52                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-10 15:48                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-10 18:11                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-10 18:42                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-12 14:25                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-12 15:17                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 13:41                       ` Robert Deininger
2007-03-09 17:15                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-09 18:58                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-03-10 10:27                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-06 15:08                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-03-07 19:21                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-03-07 20:27                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-03-07 21:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-03-06  3:07                 ` Brian May
2007-02-24 18:28           ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24 13:04         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-24 16:16           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-25 14:18             ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-03-05  1:03         ` Brian May
2007-03-05 10:34           ` Martin Krischik
2007-03-05 20:46             ` Simon Wright
2007-02-22 11:19     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 13:49       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-02-22 14:25         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 15:12           ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-22 15:15           ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-02-22 15:54             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-22 18:26               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-22 19:34                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-22 20:38                   ` Simon Wright
2007-02-23  8:43                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25 16:35                 ` wildcards with unix shells Martin Krischik
2007-02-22 16:20             ` Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-22 18:34               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-22 19:30                 ` Niklas Holsti
2007-02-23  1:01                 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-23  4:44                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-02-23  5:06                   ` Anders Wirzenius
2007-02-24 16:37                     ` Simon Wright
2007-02-25 16:42                       ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-26 20:51                         ` Simon Wright
2007-02-27  7:11                           ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-27 21:32                             ` Björn Persson
2007-02-27 21:56                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 22:53                                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-28 13:55                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-28 14:25                                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-26 11:59                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2007-02-26 14:46                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-23  8:43                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-23 11:34                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-24 13:40                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-25 16:57                     ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-26 21:27                       ` Björn Persson
2007-02-27  7:18                         ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-23  8:49                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-02-23  9:29                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-22 17:07       ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22 18:40         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-23 10:47         ` Rob Norris
2007-02-23 13:28         ` brian.b.mcguinness
2007-02-23 13:56           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-23 17:10           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-22 20:12       ` Gautier
2007-02-23  1:15       ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-23  9:25         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24  1:18           ` typed pipes (was: Ada.Command_Line and wildcards) Björn Persson
2007-02-24  8:16             ` typed pipes Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-24 13:37             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-24 16:33               ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24 20:17                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-25  1:11                   ` Björn Persson
2007-02-25  7:03                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-02-23 14:45         ` Ada.Command_Line and wildcards Larry Kilgallen
2007-02-24 19:24           ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-25  6:29             ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-25 12:21               ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-25 16:22                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-02-25 16:44                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-26  5:03                     ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-26  8:44                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-26 17:11                         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-26 17:34                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 16:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 16:19                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 16:39                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-02-27 17:56                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-27 20:29                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-26 20:30                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-27  0:34                       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-27 14:52                         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-27 20:43                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-02-27 20:56                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2007-02-25 17:50                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-02-23 16:58         ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-23 19:12           ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-23 19:26             ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-25 17:05               ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-24  1:19           ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24  3:46             ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-24 11:42               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-25 17:02             ` Martin Krischik
2007-02-23 19:04         ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-23 19:30           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-02-23 19:46             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-23 20:07             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-02-24  1:18             ` Björn Persson
2007-02-24 19:22           ` Robert A Duff
2007-02-24 20:26             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-02-25  7:32             ` Hyman Rosen
2007-02-21 21:43 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
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