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From: "Phaedrus" <phaedrusalt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Ada portable GUI Library?
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:47:21 -0800
Date: 2008-01-15T17:47:21-08:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13oqoh5rrdt0q6d@corp.supernews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: fmjlg7$n36$1@jacob-sparre.dk

I appreciate the ideals, but...  Do you own a Swiss Army knife?  Especially 
the big one.  Does everything, even has a pen built in.  Lots and lots of 
tools, but it isn't actually a very good tool.  It's heavy, and it's a 
terrible knife.  By trying to hit so many targets it's achieved a sort of 
cult status, but I wouldn't want to have to use it for anything other than 
emergencies.

Sounds to me like you're trying to hit a similar target, and I suspect 
you'll have the same kind of results.  If it's simple enough for newbies 
it'll be much too limited for the pro's, and anything that the pro's would 
appreciate would be over the head of the newbies.  Remember, even having too 
many packages or too many functions/procedures/types in a spec can be enough 
to turn the young-un's away.

A tool should be simple and coherent in design, easily described and 
intuitive to the user.  That's why I suggested targeting something like the 
turtle graphics of GUI, with two words you've got a clear understanding of 
it.  Oh, and it doesn't hurt if it's appealing to the masses, too! 
(Wouldn't it be great if people thought of Ada as the EASY, PAINLESS way to 
develop apps?)

Brian

"Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> wrote in message 
news:fmjlg7$n36$1@jacob-sparre.dk...
> "Phaedrus" <phaedrusalt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:13oqje6labldu58@corp.supernews.com...
>> And you'll get better gas mileage, and your laundry will be 40% whiter,
> your
>> breath will be minty-fresh, and your naughty bits will be both naughtier
> and
>> bittier...
>
> Yes, that what we want (well, except for making ones naughty bits 
> itty-bitty
> ;-).
>
>> It's a simple, portable GUI that will allow newbies to get consistent,
> pleasant,
>> portable results, and help professional, seasoned developers to get
> consistent,
>> pleasant, portable results :)
>
> Indeed, that is what we were trying to accomplish with Claw (other than
> portability to non-Windows systems). Which only goes to show while it is a
> good goal, it isn't easy to accomplish.
>
> OTOH, it really should be the goal, even if it isn't going to get
> accomplished. I can't imagine why anyone would want to make something that
> will only work for newbies, or has unpleasant results by default, or
> whatever. It's better to set the goals high, so that you at least have a
> chance to get near them.
>
>                           Randy.
>
> 





  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-16  1:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-12 13:37 New Ada portable GUI Library? Tomek Walkuski
2008-01-12 15:19 ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-12 18:12   ` Lucretia
2008-01-12 20:40     ` Tomek Walkuski
2008-01-12 23:01       ` Lucretia
2008-01-13  5:17         ` Vadim Godunko
2008-01-13  9:07           ` Lucretia
2008-01-13 10:49             ` Vadim Godunko
2008-01-16  9:45               ` I. Levashew
2008-01-13  8:13         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-13  9:11           ` Lucretia
2008-01-13 10:06             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-13 10:25               ` Tomek Walkuski
2008-01-13 12:36                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-13 19:58                   ` Michael Bode
2008-01-13 21:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-13 21:53                       ` Michael Bode
2008-01-14  9:11                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-13 23:08                     ` Gary Scott
2008-01-13 23:31                       ` Michael Bode
2008-01-13 23:50                         ` Gary Scott
2008-01-14 19:12                           ` Michael Bode
2008-01-13 11:27               ` Lucretia
2008-01-13 11:29               ` Lucretia
2008-01-15  7:34               ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-15  8:38                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-15  8:54                   ` Martin Krischik
2008-02-11 22:10               ` Martin
2008-02-12 18:35                 ` Martin Krischik
2008-02-12 21:43                   ` Tomek Walkuski
2008-01-13 11:14           ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-13 11:31             ` Lucretia
2008-01-14 17:58             ` Ben
2008-01-14 18:21               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-14 20:47                 ` Gautier
2008-01-14 21:32                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-13 13:28         ` Stephen Leake
2008-01-13 14:14           ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-13 14:22             ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-15  7:54               ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-16  7:54                 ` Brian May
2008-01-16  8:47                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-16  8:52                   ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-16 18:26                     ` tmoran
2008-01-13 22:22           ` Lucretia
2008-01-14 10:07             ` Stephen Leake
2008-01-12 18:36 ` (slightly OT) Open Source licences? (was: Re: New Ada portable GUI Library?) framefritti
2008-01-12 18:57   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-01-12 19:27   ` Tomek Walkuski
2008-01-12 19:39   ` (slightly OT) Open Source licences? Gautier
2008-01-12 20:26   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-12 21:58   ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-13  0:04   ` (slightly OT) Open Source licences? (was: Re: New Ada portable GUI Library?) Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-12 22:37 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-01-13 11:04 ` New Ada portable GUI Library? Gautier
2008-01-15  7:56   ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-15 17:41     ` Gautier
2008-01-16  8:16     ` tmoran
2008-01-16  8:56       ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-16 19:34       ` Gautier
2008-01-16 22:51         ` Randy Brukardt
2008-01-17 20:32           ` Gautier
2008-01-18  1:41             ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-18 17:53               ` tmoran
2008-01-18 18:59                 ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-18 19:28                   ` Pascal Obry
2008-01-20 22:38                     ` Robert A Duff
2008-01-20  1:38                 ` Jerrid Kimball
2008-01-20 12:30                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-20 13:40                   ` Stephen Leake
2008-01-20 14:36                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-01-15  8:17 ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-15  9:14   ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-15 10:39     ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-15 14:01       ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-15 16:05         ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-15 17:31           ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-01-16  8:28             ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-17  2:21   ` I. Levashew
2008-01-17  7:34     ` OpenStep/GNUStep/Cocoa (Was: New Ada portable GUI Library?) Martin Krischik
2008-01-17  9:06       ` Ivan Levashew
2008-01-17 10:25         ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-18  3:28           ` Ivan Levashew
2008-01-18  7:24             ` Martin Krischik
2008-01-15 21:51 ` New Ada portable GUI Library? Phaedrus
2008-01-16  0:04   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-01-16  0:20     ` Phaedrus
2008-01-16  1:09       ` Randy Brukardt
2008-01-16  1:47         ` Phaedrus [this message]
2008-01-20 14:07 ` Andre
2008-01-21 23:14 ` Frederik Sausmikat
2008-01-27 11:26   ` Lucretia
2008-01-27 16:47     ` Gary Scott
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