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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary W Smith)
Subject: Re: ada-c++ productivity
Date: 21 Mar 91 15:26:37 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13570@helios.TAMU.EDU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20600089@inmet


My own personal experiences on the matter:

  =>
    I used to work for General Dynamics on F-16 avionics.  This was
    pre-Ada Jovial but I think the arguments apply to Ada as well.
    I (and 30 others) spent over a year on thinks such as a specifications
    document, requirements document, design document, building a prototype
    in Pascal, PDL, etc. before we even started thinking about coding
    in Jovial.  The actual coding took less than 2 months, followed
    by an extensive code review and test period.

    Some of these self-employed, academic people just don't understand
    the development process for defense projects.

  <=
    I do feel, however, that there is a certain amount of waste in the
    process.  For the most part, the defense dept./GD feel that 2167A is 
    a concrete rule that must be followed.  What I want to know is where
    has it been shown that a document-driven waterfall model is the *best*
    process to follow in the design of software.

    Another problem that I saw at GD was the amount of charging.
    The Air Force paid by the hour.  GD was under no pressure to keep
    the hours down and their basic solution to any problem was to
    hire more people.  I realize that a lot of this does not hold
    anymore with the recent layoffs at GD.  I was there during the
    Reagan buildups and when local boy Jim Wright was still big in
    the House.

- gary

--
"Eliminate the whole degree-and-grading system and 
     then you'll get real education."
Robert M. Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

  reply	other threads:[~1991-03-21 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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1991-03-20 14:03 ` ada-c++ productivity ryer
1991-03-21 15:26   ` Gary W Smith [this message]
1991-03-21 18:50     ` Depriest
1991-03-26  2:32       ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-26 14:57         ` Michael Feldman
1991-03-27  3:09           ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-29 20:30 ` ryer
1991-04-01 14:15   ` Depriest
1991-03-18 15:27 simonian richard 66449
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1991-03-07 16:31 Craig C Johnson
1991-03-08 20:58 ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-10 15:12 ` Joachim Wiese
1991-03-13 23:12   ` Joe Buck
1991-03-15  1:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1991-03-15 22:46       ` Larry M. Jordan
1991-03-16  0:06         ` Craig Chambers
1991-03-16 20:52           ` Ted Holden
1991-03-17  8:38             ` MUNTS PHILLIP A
1991-03-17 14:27             ` Ralph Reid III
1991-03-17 20:26               ` csq031
1991-03-18  4:57               ` Michael Feldman
1991-03-18 13:25               ` Matthew S. Granger
1991-03-18 23:17               ` Paul Stachour
1991-03-19 21:17                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-19 16:14               ` klimas
1991-03-25 22:01               ` Terry J. Westley
1991-03-18  2:12             ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-18 18:13             ` arny.b.engelson
1991-03-19  7:44               ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-18 22:12             ` martin
1991-03-16 19:02         ` Ralph Johnson
1991-03-19 16:40           ` klimas
1991-03-21  3:12             ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-17  0:47         ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-18 23:55           ` adam
1991-03-25 12:42         ` Steven D. Litvinchouk
1991-03-17  0:40     ` Jim Showalter
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