From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Ada Interfaces and the Liskov Substitution Principle
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:02:08 +0200
Date: 2007-05-24T10:00:01+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <12h6mi42jcha0.7f9vfsnihjwr$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1179991769.376381.252010@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com
On 24 May 2007 00:29:29 -0700, Maciej Sobczak wrote:
> On 23 Maj, 23:58, "Randy Brukardt" <r...@rrsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>>> My humble opinion: assignment of class-wide types should be prohibited
>>> in the first place. I mean - at compile time.
>>> It's just asking for troubles.
>>
>> That doesn't make much sense. Yes, it is a bit weird that assignment is
>> potentially a dispatching operation, but otherwise there is no semantic
>> problem with it.
>
> Can it be dispatching on both arguments?
It shall be. It is a pity that Ada does not have MD.
> If not, how can you reasonably implement it?
>
> And even if it could, still, how can you *reasonably* implement it?
>
> Let's take a classic example with the hierarchy of geometric objects
> (Object, Rectlangle, Triangle, Circle, and so on) and this:
>
> procedure Do_Something(X : in Object'Class; Y : out Object'Class) is
> begin
> Y := X; -- ?
> end Do_Something;
In the current version of Ada Y is constrained to its actual type. So in
all cases of different types you will get Constraint_Error - no full MD.
But if there were MD, then you could call Do_Something (Circle, Ellipse).
And don't forget:
declare
X : T'Class := Read_From_File; -- T is non-limited, Adjust is called
begin
...
> Coming from C++, I have never seen any single example where assignment
> made sense with polymorphic hierarchies.
Real-life example. Consider a threaded library. Let you have an Ada-like
rendezvous. You wanted to propagate an exception raised in the callee to
the caller. Similarly, let an exception is propagated out of a child
thread. You want to continue its propagation to the parent.
> Do you know any such example? Can you show it?
Marshaling objects.
(All types of, like in the example above, like in view change of a small
by-value object, like in making an object persistent or broadcasting it
over the network)
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2007-05-23 19:47 Ada Interfaces and the Liskov Substitution Principle Stefan Lucks
2007-05-23 20:32 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-05-23 22:00 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-24 0:56 ` Anh Vo
2007-05-24 18:27 ` Pascal Obry
2007-05-24 18:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 18:51 ` Pascal Obry
2007-05-24 22:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-24 6:57 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-05-23 20:54 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-23 21:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-24 7:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-24 8:02 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2007-05-24 12:58 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-24 13:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 22:08 ` Robert A Duff
2007-07-01 1:00 ` David Thompson
2007-05-24 22:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-25 7:52 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-25 8:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-25 20:27 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-26 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-27 8:30 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-27 10:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 8:03 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-29 13:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 13:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 15:34 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-29 17:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 7:40 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-30 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 12:54 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-30 13:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 16:49 ` vgodunko
2007-05-30 20:52 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-31 8:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-31 13:46 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-01 7:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-01 13:32 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-01 14:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-01 20:31 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-02 8:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-02 16:49 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-03 7:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-03 22:04 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-04 8:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-04 17:02 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-05 8:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-05 22:12 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-06 8:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-06 14:46 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-06 15:11 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-06 15:32 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-24 10:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-24 13:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-25 16:59 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-28 9:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-28 11:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-28 23:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-29 12:05 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 13:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-29 17:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 20:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-30 7:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 13:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-31 10:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-31 11:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-01 7:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-01 10:07 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-06-01 11:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-01 13:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-28 13:47 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-28 23:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-28 13:56 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-28 23:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-24 7:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 11:12 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-05-24 13:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 14:41 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-05-24 15:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 15:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
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