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From: stt@inmet
Subject: Re: limited private types
Date: 6 Dec 88 20:09:00 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <124000023@inmet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8197@nsc.nsc.com


All Ada compilers already deal with "stack" objects
of size unknown at compile time (e.g. x : string(1..f(y));).
Some compilers do this more efficiently than others,
but the big advantage is that the compiler takes care
of freeing the associated storage when the object goes away.
When access types are used, it is always a challenge to
figure out how to ensure that the storage gets efficiently
reclaimed.  (This is one of the big reasons why
I believe user-defined "finalization" should be added into the language.)

Nevertheless, access types with a deferred incomplete designated
type are still used in complex systems, because they break
recompilation dependencies.  It seems like allowing the
deferral of any private type to a package body would be little or no
additional burden on compiler writers, and would provide
the same nice break in recompilation dependency when used.  
For non-discriminated types,
the size would be an elaboration-time constant.  For discriminated types,
the size would be determined by a function call (many
compilers already create size functions to save code space
for complex variant record size calculations).
However, it would be appropriate to require that the full
definition of the private type be a record type, so that
pass-by-reference semantics would be allowed.  

The syntax for such a deferred private record type might be:
     . . .
  private
      type Priv is record;
     . . .

I fully agree with the importance of pass-by-value semantics
for all scalars/access-values.  It is easy enough to wrap a scalar
into a record if pass-by-reference semantics are preferred for some
particular application.  The improved speed possibilities for pass-by-value
scalars far outweigh any abstraction disadvantage.

S. Tucker Taft
Intermetrics, Inc.
Cambridge, MA  02138

  parent reply	other threads:[~1988-12-06 20:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1988-11-14 13:20 Ada language revision Stanley Roger Allen, AdaDude
1988-11-15 23:28 ` Wilmer Rivers
1988-11-16 19:06   ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-11-17 15:34     ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-18 16:39       ` Steve Tynor
1988-11-18 19:22       ` Ron Guilmette
1988-11-23 22:22       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-11-29 15:35         ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-18  0:32     ` Ron Guilmette
1988-11-22 14:37       ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-23 13:37         ` Dennis Doubleday
1988-11-23 19:41           ` Steve Tynor
1988-11-23 21:14             ` Richard Pattis
1988-11-25 20:36             ` Robert Firth
1988-11-29 15:12           ` limited private types Stephe Leake
1988-12-01 23:06             ` Ron Guilmette
1988-12-05  1:48               ` Paul Stachour
1988-12-05 12:31                 ` Reference Semantics William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-06  0:29                   ` Paul Stachour
1988-12-07  1:07                     ` Reference Semantics, assignment overloading, etc Ray Trent
1988-12-08 17:36                       ` Reference Semantics, assignment ryer
1988-12-06 16:56               ` limited private types ryer
1988-12-06 20:09               ` stt [this message]
1988-12-07 15:51               ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-21 15:40   ` Ada language revision stt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1988-11-28 22:19 Collective response to := messages Geoff Mendal
1988-11-29 14:39 ` Dennis Doubleday
1988-11-29 21:08 ` Ray Trent
1988-11-30 14:37   ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-01 14:54     ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-02 20:21       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-04 21:15         ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-04 23:27           ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-05 14:46             ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-05 21:23               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-07 17:33                 ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-07 16:03               ` Definition of pass by reference Robert Eachus
1988-12-07 17:15             ` Collective response to := messages Stephe Leake
1988-12-07 16:07       ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-09  3:15         ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-01 21:31     ` Ray Trent
1988-12-07 16:21       ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-30 16:29   ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-11-30 18:29     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-11-30 22:28       ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-01  3:09         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-01 15:16           ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-02 19:31             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-04 21:03               ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-05  2:34                 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-05 14:07                   ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-07 17:26                     ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-06 19:16                 ` Collective response to := messa stt
1988-12-09  3:39                   ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-11-30 19:13     ` CORRECTION Re: Collective response to := messages David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-01 18:31     ` Ray Trent
1988-12-02 14:49       ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-05 17:33         ` Collective response to := messa stt
1988-11-30 18:24   ` Collective response to := messages Robert Eachus
1988-12-02 14:58     ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-02 19:34   ` Mark C. Adolph
1988-12-05 17:15     ` Collective response to := messa stt
1988-11-29 21:44 ` Collective response to := messages William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-03 23:10 limited private types Erland Sommarskog
1989-07-26 20:34 Memory Access Question tony
1989-07-27 13:06 ` richard a hammond
1989-07-27 18:53   ` Ray Trent
1989-07-28  0:48     ` Mike Murphy
1989-08-02 13:23       ` Mike Walsh
1989-08-02 20:20         ` Mike Murphy
1989-07-29  0:00 ` Brian Sullivan
2000-04-26  0:00 limited private types r_srinivasan
2000-04-26  0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-27  0:00   ` r_srinivasan
2000-04-28  0:00     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-04-27  0:00 ` Marc A. Criley
2000-04-27  0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-04-27  0:00   ` r_srinivasan
2000-04-27  0:00     ` tmoran
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