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From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:38:11 -0700
Date: 2007-10-02T13:38:11-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1191357491.860178.230380@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fdsf0r$q0t$1@jacob-sparre.dk>

On 2 Pa , 05:50, "Randy Brukardt" <ra...@rrsoftware.com> wrote:

> If there is any magic way to increase Ada usage,
> it would be to get ahead of the curve on something (multi-core comes to
> mind: us Ada people have been doing that sort of programming for 25 years)

And during these 25 years you have made it actually difficult (!) to
leverage the power of multitasking. The fact that I cannot have
concurrent tasks operating in read-only mode on the shared container
is a fatal mistake. This is something even C++ can do, which
ironically does not even officially support threads.

Unfortunately, it's not the Ada people that can do this. The game is
driven by CPU vendors themselves, because it is them who show
directions.

One of such directions is this:

http://osstbb.intel.com/

I very much appreciate the experience that the Ada community gathered
in the area of multitasking in the context of RT systems, but this is
not enough to gain significant visibility in the multicore game. It
just seems to be a different business and one of the places where this
divergence is clearly visible is that after these 25 years you still
miss the lock-free-algorithms boat.

In short: multicore is about performance, not about Ravenscar.

--
Maciej Sobczak * www.msobczak.com * www.inspirel.com




  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-02 20:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-06  2:20 GNAT for MS Visual Studio William J Thomas
2007-09-06  7:44 ` anon
2007-09-06  8:49   ` Rob Veenker
2007-09-06 11:12     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-11  3:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-09-20  0:00 ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21  0:46   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-21  3:27     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21 17:31       ` Markus E L
2007-09-21 18:13       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-22  1:42         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  1:59       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  5:19         ` Simon Wright
2007-09-22 14:42         ` Steve
2007-09-24  8:14           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  1:44             ` Steve
2007-09-25  6:41               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  8:29               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 18:00                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-09-25 18:31                   ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:20               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  2:23                 ` Steve
2007-09-26 12:21                   ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  0:49                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-28  2:43                     ` Steve
2007-09-28  9:36                       ` Markus E L
2007-09-29 15:59                         ` Michael Bode
2007-09-29 16:50                           ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  6:58                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2007-09-26 13:35                   ` Steve
2007-09-26 14:06                     ` Markus E L
2007-09-27 18:26                       ` Michael Bode
2007-09-27 20:18                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  6:45                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-29  9:18                           ` michael bode
2007-09-28  2:29                       ` Steve
2007-09-28  9:23                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-30 14:50                           ` Steve
2007-10-02  3:50                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-02 11:06                               ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-10-02 20:38                               ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2007-10-02 20:45                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 19:23                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-03 19:40                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 20:08                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:18                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:21                                           ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-05 13:25                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-06 10:50                                               ` concurrent access to containers (was: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-05 20:15                                         ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Simon Wright
2007-10-06 14:47                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-06 15:03                                         ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 16:03                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 17:07                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 18:30                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 20:32                                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07  7:35                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 21:30                                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08  7:50                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 10:32                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 13:39                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 15:10                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 20:40                                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-09  8:32                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 16:17                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-07  3:19                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-07  7:21                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07  7:49                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 16:41                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-07 17:44                                               ` Simon Wright
2007-10-08  9:52                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 10:42                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 10:59                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 11:07                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 18:44                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-08 15:21                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 18:28                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07 21:48                                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07 22:27                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-08 21:10                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09  1:53                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-09 21:01                                                 ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09 22:48                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-10  0:21                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-10  4:57                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-10  7:46                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-03  5:20                                 ` Licensing again (was Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Simon Wright
2007-10-03  2:03                               ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Steve
2007-09-28 14:48                         ` Ed Falis
2007-09-29  2:32                           ` Steve
2007-09-29  6:53                             ` Vadim Godunko
2007-09-26 14:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25  2:39             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:40               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:28               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26 10:19               ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-26 13:00                 ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25  2:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:27             ` Stephen Leake
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-12 22:03 Anatoly Chernyshev
2007-10-13 20:25 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-14 10:37   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-14 11:26     ` Markus E L
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