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From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Current status of Ada?
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:44:10 -0700
Date: 2007-08-22T01:44:10-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1187772250.820301.151700@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bc9sp4-j21.ln1@newserver.thecreems.com>

On 22 Sie, 02:15, Jeffrey Creem <j...@thecreems.com> wrote:

> And it is fair the say that the survey under-reports as many people
> working DoD related projects
[...]

It is interesting, but the problem is really in what kind of
information this survey is expected to provide. For the sake of mental
experiment, let's assume that 50% of Ada projects are classified. At
first sight, the survey under-reports by 50%. But if the survey is
supposed to provide some insight on how strong and vibrant is the Ada
community (for example, the requester wants to be sure that she will
not be left alone with her problems), then the survey is 100% exact,
because it comes from those contributions that actually form that
vibrant and responsive part of the community. Anybody else is
effectively out of the community.

It is more or less analogous to the report that says that we might
have fuel problems within the next N years. Does it under-reports the
reality considering the fact that there are whole *planets* in our
solar system that are composed almost entirely of methane or hydrogen?
They might be somewhere there to look at, but are effectively
unreachable in the same N-years timeframe, and so are completely
useless in this context.

What I want to say is that every time a similar question is raised,
the Ada community tries to "pump up" or visually inflate itself by
mentioning some nebulous DoD or otherwise classified activity. This is
cheating - the Ada community is effectively as strong as the number of
people that are able and willing to talk about their experiences.
Everything that is outside of this is just as useful as hydrogen on
Jupiter.

--
Maciej Sobczak
http://www.msobczak.com/




  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-22  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-21 19:56 Current status of Ada? Steve Marotta
2007-08-21 22:03 ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-08-21 22:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-08-22  0:15   ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-08-22  0:53     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-08-23  6:25       ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-08-23  8:13         ` Markus E L
2007-08-23  9:53         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-23 10:26           ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-08-24  4:31         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-08-26 17:51         ` adaworks
2007-08-26 18:46           ` Ed Falis
2007-08-26 20:55           ` Gary Scott
2007-08-28  6:26             ` adaworks
2007-08-28 18:09               ` tmoran
2007-08-29  5:31                 ` adaworks
2007-08-29 11:09                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-29 14:27                   ` Ed Falis
2007-08-29 15:43                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-08-29 20:37                       ` Ed Falis
2007-08-29 21:49                         ` Gautier
2007-08-31 14:25                         ` adaworks
2007-08-31 17:18                           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-08-31 19:46                             ` Ed Falis
2007-09-01  1:51                             ` Markus E L
2007-09-01 17:02                               ` Gary Scott
2007-09-02 19:04                                 ` adaworks
2007-09-02 20:03                                   ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 11:06                                     ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-09-03 12:35                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-03 16:38                                         ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 16:36                                       ` Gary Scott
2007-09-02 20:05                                   ` Ed Falis
2007-09-02 21:29                                     ` roderick.chapman
2007-09-03  1:18                                       ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03  6:14                                 ` anon
2007-09-03  7:10                                   ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-03 16:18                                     ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 16:44                                       ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-03 18:39                                         ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 19:27                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-03 16:12                                   ` Gary Scott
2007-09-04  7:07                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2007-08-31 19:45                           ` Ed Falis
2007-08-28  7:58           ` roderick.chapman
2007-08-28 11:46             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-08-28 11:57               ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-09-12 14:50               ` Gerd
2007-08-29  5:23             ` adaworks
2007-08-29 21:44           ` Gautier
2007-09-17  6:35           ` lou
2007-09-17  9:15             ` Adrian Hoe
2007-09-17  9:27               ` Adrian Hoe
2007-09-17 15:42             ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-17 17:58               ` Tomek Wa kuski
2007-09-17 19:53                 ` Wiktor Moskwa
2007-09-18  7:55                   ` Tomek Wa kuski
2007-09-18  8:26                   ` Adrian Hoe
2007-09-18 16:56                     ` Wiktor Moskwa
2007-09-17 20:43                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18  4:51             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-18 16:16             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-22  8:44     ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2007-08-22 12:15       ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-08-22 13:39         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-08-22 15:33       ` Steve Marotta
2007-08-22 16:36         ` Markus E L
2007-08-29  5:42 ` anon
2007-08-29  7:22   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-08-29  9:23     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-08-29 11:26   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-29 12:14     ` Markus E L
2007-08-30  6:40     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-08-31  0:48       ` Gary Scott
2007-08-30  8:01     ` anon
2007-08-30  9:41       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-30 10:23         ` Markus E L
2007-08-31  9:58           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-31 13:27             ` Markus E L
2007-08-31  9:54         ` anon
2007-08-31 11:54           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-31 13:31             ` Markus E L
2007-08-31 22:32             ` anon
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