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From: AJAskey <AskeyAJ@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What is wrong with Ada?
Date: 21 Apr 2007 05:56:11 -0700
Date: 2007-04-21T05:56:11-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1177160171.286985.167860@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1176150704.130880.248080@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>

Most has been hit in other's posts, but here is my take:

I've used Ada since 1993.  It is the best language for developing real-
time and simulation apps I've found.  Ada compilers have never been
freely available to the masses.  In the 90s, GNAT was available but
there was no internet to grab it and go.  It could have been
downloaded and was available in CD form.  But no one who didn't
already know about it would use it.  Today anyone can grab a free
version of Java or C++ and be developing in an hour.  There are many
other internet/scripting languages available for free.  There are free
tools everywhere.  There is free support available in groups (such as
this).

In 1998 the DoD decide to stop supporting Ada.  It is still alive (I
use it today) but finding and trying tools is a complete pain in the
butt.  Adacore and Aonix require forms to be filled out for a trial.
I needed to get approval/money/signatures within my company just to
try the software.  Then I needed to schedule time to try the software
(I still have not found the time to try Aonix with Eclipse).  Then I
need to provide evidence I uninstalled the software or my company will
be charged.  I think the Ada vendors underestimate the effort required
by companies to just evaluate their product.

>From a marketing perspective, Ada vendors make it nearly impossible
for a company to buy their product vs. Java and C++ vendors who
provide no barriers to entry.  Because of this, no significant
contracts I see coming out of the DoD even want to consider Ada.  The
reluctance for Ada at the corporate level (at least in DoD and other
similar agencies) has nothing to do with the quality of the products
or even the cost.  The reluctance is based on a repeated history
(anecdote after anecdote) of requests for time/money to evaluate an
Ada tool.  Every department/project that wants to use Ada must go
through this.  Most just ignore the Ada option the other options are
well understood and easy to evaluate.  Everyone in the product
development business can see this and ignores Ada as a long term
solution to big projects.  I would guess that the only buyers of Ada
compilers are those with legacy projects who are moving away for
Rational Ada because IBM does not support that well anymore.

Andy




  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-21 12:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-09 20:31 What is wrong with Ada? martinbishop
2007-04-10  1:14 ` Chip and Allie Orange
2007-04-10  8:32   ` gautier_niouzes
2007-04-10 18:21     ` Chip Orange
2007-04-10  1:15 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-10  9:02   ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-10 14:32     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 15:09       ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-10 15:39         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 16:12           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-10 17:31             ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-10 18:24               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 18:28                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-10 20:22                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11  9:40               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-11 11:20                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-11 23:45                 ` Brian May
2007-04-12  7:40                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-12 16:44                   ` kevin  cline
2007-04-12 17:32                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-12 16:46                   ` kevin  cline
2007-04-12 17:35                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-21  2:13                       ` adaworks
2007-04-21  9:49                         ` Simon Wright
2007-04-21 14:15                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22  7:38                             ` adaworks
2007-04-23  1:33                               ` Brian May
2007-04-21 18:33                           ` adaworks
2007-04-12 18:11                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16 14:25                       ` Bob Spooner
2007-04-16 14:50                         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17  9:17                           ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-17 10:04                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-17 15:02                             ` Ed Falis
2007-04-17 15:48                               ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-17 20:53                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-18  0:21                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-18  8:16                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-21  2:18                               ` adaworks
2007-04-12 18:47                   ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-12 19:39                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-12 19:54                       ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-04-12 20:41                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-14 19:56                         ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-13  0:16                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-14  7:01                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-14 10:48                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 13:41                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-15 16:01                               ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 17:51                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-15 21:41                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 22:00                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16  8:26                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-16  9:04                                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17  7:58                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-17  9:27                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-17 10:46                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17 10:48                                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 23:06                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22 21:50                                   ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23 19:26                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-23 20:39                                       ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-24  8:39                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-24 16:43                                           ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-23 22:02                                       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-14 22:49                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 23:39                           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23 21:16                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-04-23 21:21                           ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-23 22:15                             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12 21:18                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-13  7:39                       ` Stuart
2007-04-13  9:05                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-13  0:10                     ` Brian May
2007-04-13  8:55                     ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-04-14 22:47                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 19:50                     ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-14 22:52                       ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 19:28                 ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-16  8:50                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-16  9:18                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-16  9:56                     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16 16:45                     ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-17  9:05                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-17 14:51                         ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-22  7:42                           ` adaworks
2007-04-10 18:15             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-20 16:34             ` adaworks
2007-04-10 19:44       ` Simon Wright
2007-04-10 20:43         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 22:02       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-10 22:15         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11  8:59           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-20 16:25       ` adaworks
2007-04-20 20:35         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-21  5:51           ` adaworks
2007-04-25  0:10         ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-10 15:59     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-10 16:31       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-10 18:08         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11 23:05         ` kevin  cline
2007-04-12  7:55           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-12 10:43           ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-04-12 13:04             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-13 10:46               ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-04-13 16:25                 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-14 23:41                 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22  7:54           ` adaworks
2007-04-21 18:50         ` adaworks
2007-04-21 19:53           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]             ` <H5EWh.6302$H_5.612@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>
2007-04-22  9:33               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-10 23:43     ` Brian May
2007-04-12 14:25       ` Bob Spooner
2007-04-13  0:22         ` Brian May
2007-04-23  2:25     ` Justin Gombos
2007-05-16  1:29     ` Adrian Hoe
2007-04-10  1:25 ` Brian May
2007-04-10  1:48   ` martinbishop
2007-04-10  8:33     ` gautier_niouzes
2007-04-10 14:58     ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 19:05       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-10 20:27         ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12  1:18           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-12 13:02             ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12  8:47           ` Ada vendor FAQ (was: What is wrong with Ada?) Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-11 15:21 ` What is wrong with Ada? Jason King
2007-04-11 17:53   ` tmoran
2007-04-12 18:55   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-04-13  2:59     ` Jason King
2007-04-13  9:03       ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-14 15:28         ` Jason King
2007-04-16 16:48           ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-21 12:56 ` AJAskey [this message]
2007-04-21 13:50   ` jimmaureenrogers
2007-04-21 14:46     ` AJAskey
2007-04-21 15:43       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23  1:37         ` Brian May
2007-04-21 15:48       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-21 21:42       ` jimmaureenrogers
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2007-04-22  0:53           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25  0:20     ` Chad  R. Meiners
2007-04-25  9:57       ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25 11:19         ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-25 11:54           ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25 13:24             ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-25 13:41             ` adaworks
2007-04-26  3:24       ` jimmaureenrogers
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