From: "kevin cline" <kevin.cline@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What is wrong with Ada?
Date: 11 Apr 2007 16:05:30 -0700
Date: 2007-04-11T16:05:30-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1176332730.826176.286450@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <krrspgzz88g4$.15lzsnhxml4j.dlg@40tude.net>
On Apr 10, 11:31 am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:59:27 GMT, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote:
> > Pascal Obry wrote:
> >> Jeffrey R. Carter a écrit :
>
> >>> Nothing is wrong with Ada. It is a language for SW engineers. Since 98%
> >>> of SW developers are coders, not SW engineers, 98% prefer languages for
> >>> coders.
>
> >> Agreed 100%. Another way to put it, let me ask : What's wrong with
> >> developers ? Why do they like unsafe languages ? Why do they like
> >> fighting a language all the time ? Why do they like unreadable code ?
> >> Why do they like to play with a debugger ? Why do they like to play
> >> Sherlock Holmes during hours to look for a bug ? Here are the real
> >> questions to me, again nothing wrong with Ada to me !
>
> > The answer is: because they're coders, not SW engineers.
>
> > Let's get circular.
>
> Let me break the circle:
>
> It is because SW engineering is not engineering.
You are right about that. Other engineering disciplines apply
physical laws to the construction of human artifacts. There are no
physical laws governing software. Were it not for the limitations of
human intellect, we could instantaneously produce correct, optimal
machine code to meet any need. Software engineering attempts to
define practices for developing reliable software given our limited
abilities. It is a social science.
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2007-04-09 20:31 What is wrong with Ada? martinbishop
2007-04-10 1:14 ` Chip and Allie Orange
2007-04-10 8:32 ` gautier_niouzes
2007-04-10 18:21 ` Chip Orange
2007-04-10 1:15 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-10 9:02 ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-10 14:32 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 15:09 ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-10 15:39 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 16:12 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-10 17:31 ` Chad R. Meiners
2007-04-10 18:24 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 18:28 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-10 20:22 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11 9:40 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-11 11:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-11 23:45 ` Brian May
2007-04-12 7:40 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-12 16:44 ` kevin cline
2007-04-12 17:32 ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-12 16:46 ` kevin cline
2007-04-12 17:35 ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-21 2:13 ` adaworks
2007-04-21 9:49 ` Simon Wright
2007-04-21 14:15 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22 7:38 ` adaworks
2007-04-23 1:33 ` Brian May
2007-04-21 18:33 ` adaworks
2007-04-12 18:11 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16 14:25 ` Bob Spooner
2007-04-16 14:50 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17 9:17 ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-17 10:04 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-17 15:02 ` Ed Falis
2007-04-17 15:48 ` Pascal Obry
2007-04-17 20:53 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-18 0:21 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-18 8:16 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-21 2:18 ` adaworks
2007-04-12 18:47 ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-12 19:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-12 19:54 ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-04-12 20:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-14 19:56 ` Chad R. Meiners
2007-04-13 0:16 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-14 7:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-14 10:48 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 13:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-15 16:01 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 17:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-15 21:41 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 22:00 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-16 9:04 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17 7:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-17 9:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-17 10:46 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-17 10:48 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-15 23:06 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22 21:50 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23 19:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-23 20:39 ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-24 8:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-24 16:43 ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-23 22:02 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-14 22:49 ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 23:39 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23 21:16 ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-04-23 21:21 ` Ray Blaak
2007-04-23 22:15 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12 21:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-13 7:39 ` Stuart
2007-04-13 9:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-13 0:10 ` Brian May
2007-04-13 8:55 ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-04-14 22:47 ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 19:50 ` Chad R. Meiners
2007-04-14 22:52 ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-14 19:28 ` Chad R. Meiners
2007-04-16 8:50 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-16 9:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-16 9:56 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-16 16:45 ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-17 9:05 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-04-17 14:51 ` Robert A Duff
2007-04-22 7:42 ` adaworks
2007-04-10 18:15 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-20 16:34 ` adaworks
2007-04-10 19:44 ` Simon Wright
2007-04-10 20:43 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 22:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-10 22:15 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11 8:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-20 16:25 ` adaworks
2007-04-20 20:35 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-21 5:51 ` adaworks
2007-04-25 0:10 ` Chad R. Meiners
2007-04-10 15:59 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-04-10 16:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-10 18:08 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-11 23:05 ` kevin cline [this message]
2007-04-12 7:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-12 10:43 ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-04-12 13:04 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-13 10:46 ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-04-13 16:25 ` Adam Beneschan
2007-04-14 23:41 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-22 7:54 ` adaworks
2007-04-21 18:50 ` adaworks
2007-04-21 19:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
[not found] ` <H5EWh.6302$H_5.612@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>
2007-04-22 9:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-04-10 23:43 ` Brian May
2007-04-12 14:25 ` Bob Spooner
2007-04-13 0:22 ` Brian May
2007-04-23 2:25 ` Justin Gombos
2007-05-16 1:29 ` Adrian Hoe
2007-04-10 1:25 ` Brian May
2007-04-10 1:48 ` martinbishop
2007-04-10 8:33 ` gautier_niouzes
2007-04-10 14:58 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-10 19:05 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-10 20:27 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12 1:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-04-12 13:02 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-12 8:47 ` Ada vendor FAQ (was: What is wrong with Ada?) Ludovic Brenta
2007-04-11 15:21 ` What is wrong with Ada? Jason King
2007-04-11 17:53 ` tmoran
2007-04-12 18:55 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2007-04-13 2:59 ` Jason King
2007-04-13 9:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-14 15:28 ` Jason King
2007-04-16 16:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-21 12:56 ` AJAskey
2007-04-21 13:50 ` jimmaureenrogers
2007-04-21 14:46 ` AJAskey
2007-04-21 15:43 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-23 1:37 ` Brian May
2007-04-21 15:48 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-21 21:42 ` jimmaureenrogers
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2007-04-22 0:53 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25 0:20 ` Chad R. Meiners
2007-04-25 9:57 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-25 11:54 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-04-25 13:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-04-25 13:41 ` adaworks
2007-04-26 3:24 ` jimmaureenrogers
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