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From: "Steve Whalen" <SteveWhalen001@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: and visual library once again
Date: 21 Oct 2005 03:43:50 -0700
Date: 2005-10-21T03:43:50-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1129891429.987102.321970@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: cNqyHTfQEqex@eisner.encompasserve.org

Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> In article <1129861178.782874.87870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Steve Whalen" <SteveWhalen001@hotmail.com> writes:
...
> > But it is important to remind anyone asking such a question that they
> > can sell the program ONLY if they give a copy of the source code to the
> > customer they sell it to (including the right of that customer to give
> > the source and binary to anyone else they want per the GPL).
...
>
> It is not a problem for anyone who actually sells their software.
>
> It is a problem for those who follow the customary practice of
> Microsoft, Symantec, Computer Associates and actually _license_
> their software rather than selling it.

OK, I'll bite.  Why does it matter whether a programmer "licenses" a
program to customers or "sells" it?

I think the distinction relevant to whether or not the GPL creates a
"problem" for a programmer, is whether or not the programmer sells a
proprietary program (closed source to the world, whether or not source
is shipped with the binary). If the program being sold must be
proprietary (not "open source") in order to keep competitors (or
customers) from eliminating your income stream, then the GPL is a
problem, whether you "license" the software or "sell" it.

Yes the Microsofts of the world tend to license software instead of
selling it, but they have everything in common with a one person
programming shop which "sells" their program, if both must remain
"proprietary" in order to stay in business. GPL programs are also
"licensed" for a cost of $0 and compliance with the terms of the GPL,
which specifically precludes truly proprietary programs if you transfer
them (via sale OR licensing) to other people or companies (you can
write and use proprietary programs as long as you keep it inside your
company and don't sell it to others).

If Microsoft compiled the next version of their "Office" suite with
AdaCore's GNAT GPL compiler, their market would dry up the day after
they shipped the first copy and someone else got the source under the
GPL and compiled it and released it to the world.  Same thing would
happen to a one programmer shop in many markets.

Steve




  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-21 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-20 17:29 and visual library once again Szymon Guz
2005-10-20 18:38 ` Pascal Obry
2005-10-20 21:01   ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-20 21:04     ` Pascal Obry
2005-10-20 21:09       ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-20 21:21         ` Pascal Obry
2005-10-21  2:19           ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-21  3:08             ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-10-21  7:52               ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-21 13:48                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-10-21 10:43               ` Steve Whalen [this message]
2005-10-21 13:50                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-10-21 13:54                   ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-21 16:29                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-10-21 18:19                       ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-25 22:01                         ` Björn Persson
2005-10-21  4:02             ` tmoran
2005-10-21  6:54               ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-22  5:38                 ` tmoran
2005-10-23  2:42                   ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-21  9:58               ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-21 14:55                 ` Bob Spooner
2005-10-21 16:51                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-10-21 22:01                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-23  6:31                   ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-23 11:27                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-23 21:41                       ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-24  3:14                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-24 12:52                     ` Bob Spooner
2005-10-25  7:23                       ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-25 14:20                         ` Bob Spooner
2005-10-21 17:01               ` Björn Persson
2005-10-22  5:38                 ` tmoran
2005-10-25 20:51                   ` Björn Persson
2005-10-25 22:16                     ` tmoran
2005-10-25 23:14                       ` Björn Persson
2005-10-26  0:14                         ` tmoran
2005-10-26 22:11                           ` Björn Persson
2005-10-26 23:46                             ` OT: was " tmoran
2005-10-27 23:40                               ` Björn Persson
2005-10-28  2:30                                 ` tmoran
2005-10-30  0:20                                   ` Björn Persson
2005-10-21  7:00             ` Martin Dowie
2005-10-21 14:18               ` Marc A. Criley
2005-10-21 15:53                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-10-21 18:14                   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-10-21 18:52                   ` Martin Dowie
2005-10-21 18:26             ` Simon Wright
2005-10-21 20:11               ` Szymon Guz
2005-10-21 20:47                 ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-22  5:38                   ` tmoran
2005-10-22 12:06                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-10-23  2:41                     ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-23  6:35                       ` tmoran
2005-10-23  6:49                         ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-22  7:56                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-10-23  2:32                     ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-23  8:43                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-10-23  5:34                   ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-23  6:14                     ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-23  7:39                       ` Steve Whalen
2005-10-23  9:31                         ` Hyman Rosen
2005-10-24 12:56                   ` Bob Spooner
2005-10-24 13:08                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-10-23  3:44                 ` Steve
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