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From: "Hyman Rosen" <hyman.rosen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL 2005: Too clever by half?
Date: 26 Sep 2005 11:28:01 -0700
Date: 2005-09-26T11:28:01-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1127759281.528756.277520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1127598547.091846.174720@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Chad  R. Meiners wrote:
> When you invoke a property established by a theorem, are you making a
> copy of that theorem.  No, you are not.  This is beside the point.

Yes you are. Whether the proof includes existing results by
reference rather than by value is irrelevant, just as it is
(mostly) in your favorite programming language. The fact is
that without the intense labor of the people whose proofs
are being used, further work based upon them could not be
done. And yet those people remain uncompensated by the users.

> Your statement is self-contradictory.

No. For example, I am compensated for my labor as a programmer.
But I work for a bank, so my work is for-hire. I do not control
what happens to my work, or who may use it. I will not receive
any further compensation should my work be incorporated into a
program which my employer might choose to sell. And yet, I do
not feel ill-used. Quite the contrary in fact.

> Furthermore, the quote "Stallman would simply deny you the
> ability to prevent others from using the product of your
> labor." reads as "Stallman prevents you from protecting
> yourself from the theft of your labor", which is a pretty
> serious violation of our rights.

But there is no theft involved. Stallman is advocating a
condition which he would like to see exist. Were it to be so,
programmers would know ahead of time that they could not control
how their work is used by others. Then they could freely choose
to participate or not. As it stands, I feel that it is theft
that the governments take my tax money and use it to prevent
people from copying protected works. Why should my money go to
assure someone else's profits?




  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-26 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-21 18:57 GNAT GPL 2005: Too clever by half? Marc A. Criley
2005-09-21 19:13 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-21 20:17   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-23 21:31   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-23 21:44     ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-24 21:49       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-24 22:21         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 22:50           ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-25 15:12             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-25 16:26               ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-25 18:42                 ` rleif
2005-09-25 18:42                 ` rleif
2005-09-26 18:28         ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2005-09-26 18:46           ` tmoran
2005-09-26 19:06             ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-23 23:26     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 22:17       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-24  6:30     ` Brian May
2005-09-24 13:41       ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 14:41         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-24 15:10           ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 15:53             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 22:40               ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-25 15:15                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 18:52             ` Simon Wright
2005-09-24 21:25               ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 15:32         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 19:01           ` Simon Wright
2005-09-24 20:51             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-27 10:04               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-28 21:17                 ` Simon Wright
2005-09-29  9:12                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-24 21:35       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-23 23:30   ` Michael Bode
2005-09-23 23:42     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24  1:22       ` Michael Bode
2005-09-24 11:52         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-21 20:01 ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21 20:20 ` Keith Thompson
2005-09-22  6:24 ` Brian May
2005-09-22  7:30   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-22 13:35   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-22 12:10 ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-22 12:29   ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-22 13:46     ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-23 13:09       ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-23 13:03     ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-23 16:29       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-23 18:08         ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-23 23:18           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 11:40             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-24 14:10               ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 18:44               ` Robert A. Matthews
2005-09-24 14:02           ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-22 13:42   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-23 13:12     ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24  8:10 ` Frank
2005-09-24 10:53   ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-24 11:59   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-25  8:42   ` Martin Krischik
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