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From: "rleif" <rleif@rleif.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL 2005: Too clever by half?
Date: 25 Sep 2005 11:42:31 -0700
Date: 2005-09-25T11:42:31-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1127673750.978298.203460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1127665564.878144.147040@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>

Those of you attending SIGAda 2005 in Atlanta
(http://www.acm.org/sigada/conf/sigada2005/)can continue this
discussion at the Commercializing Ada workshop on Wednesday, November
16.
A presentation on the Progresssive Software approach will be given by
Robert Leif with material created by Marius Alves.
Bob Leif

Chad  R. Meiners wrote:
> From: Georg Bauhaus
> <quote>
> That's contained in the smiley.
> People tend to sell others' work as their own. I'm not saying you
> do. Some licenses permit this, some licenses ask to not mention,
> others require that you mention others' work.
> In case people complain that they cannot "overwrite" the terms
> and conditions of the GPLicense with their own, it is only fair
> to ask whether they intend to sell others' work as their own.
> I did use the word "ask" knowing that I didn't really
> ask in the sense of asking, asking you not to question my use
> of asking on the ground of questionable monosemy.
> <\quote>
>
> Oh come on.  I haven't even complained about not being able to
> overwrite the GPL.  You are jumping the gun and assuming that I have
> all these problems with the GPL.  Just because I am critical of RMS
> doesn't mean that I am against various projects that he works on.  I am
> an avid user of emacs for example.
>
> However, the GPL doesn't prevent people from stealing your labor.  It
> might prevent someone from taking you labor and hiding it under a
> bucket, but it does not prevent thief.
>
> <quote>
> Natural language not only invites interpretation, the fact that
> it cannot be formalized, let alone be coverd by {T, F}, is central
> to some of the most precious pieces of human heritage.
> <\quote>
>
> Just because we can't formalize natural language does not mean that we
> do not need to be careful when interpreting it.  If anything it means
> that we need to be more precise, and that we should ask for
> clarification more often.
>
> This is why I am critical of statements like "The GPL simply prevents
> others from stealing your labor."  Such statements are so imprecise
> that they are useless.  Sure it sounds like great propaganda, but the
> statement isn't actually true.
> 
> If you want to discuss this more, let's do it over email.
> 
> -CRM




  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-25 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-21 18:57 GNAT GPL 2005: Too clever by half? Marc A. Criley
2005-09-21 19:13 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-21 20:17   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-23 21:31   ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-23 21:44     ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-24 21:49       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-24 22:21         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 22:50           ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-25 15:12             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-25 16:26               ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-25 18:42                 ` rleif
2005-09-25 18:42                 ` rleif [this message]
2005-09-26 18:28         ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-26 18:46           ` tmoran
2005-09-26 19:06             ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-23 23:26     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 22:17       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-24  6:30     ` Brian May
2005-09-24 13:41       ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 14:41         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-24 15:10           ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 15:53             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 22:40               ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-25 15:15                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 18:52             ` Simon Wright
2005-09-24 21:25               ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 15:32         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 19:01           ` Simon Wright
2005-09-24 20:51             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-27 10:04               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-28 21:17                 ` Simon Wright
2005-09-29  9:12                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-24 21:35       ` Chad  R. Meiners
2005-09-23 23:30   ` Michael Bode
2005-09-23 23:42     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24  1:22       ` Michael Bode
2005-09-24 11:52         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-21 20:01 ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21 20:20 ` Keith Thompson
2005-09-22  6:24 ` Brian May
2005-09-22  7:30   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-22 13:35   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-22 12:10 ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-22 12:29   ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-22 13:46     ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-23 13:09       ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-23 13:03     ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-23 16:29       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-23 18:08         ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-23 23:18           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-24 11:40             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-24 14:10               ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24 18:44               ` Robert A. Matthews
2005-09-24 14:02           ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-22 13:42   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-23 13:12     ` Marin David Condic
2005-09-24  8:10 ` Frank
2005-09-24 10:53   ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-24 11:59   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-25  8:42   ` Martin Krischik
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