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From: "Hyman Rosen" <hyman.rosen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available
Date: 20 Sep 2005 05:02:33 -0700
Date: 2005-09-20T05:02:33-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1127217753.861102.297580@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3r7bk353k.fsf@rr.trudgett>


David Trudgett wrote:
> It is *never* morally right, for instance, to use violence to force or
> coerce the actions of others, no matter whether one's "rights" are being
> ignored or infringed.

Morality is a social construct. What is morally right is decided by the
society in which one lives, or by subgroups therein. (The tiger which
is
about to use violence to coerce your actions and then eat you, for
example,
is not acting immorally; she is values-neutral.) So your statement may
be
correct according to your moral code, but no one else need feel
themself
bound by it.

As it happens, society in America has decided that it is moral for a
creator
to retain some coercive power over the use of his creation. It is
written in
one of our founding documents which shapes our society. That may
change, and
perhaps has already changed, but for you to make your bald assertion as
if it
had the force of natural law is absurd. I could equally say that it is
moral
for the strong to take what they wish from the weak, as this is what is
the
observed state of the natural world and we should not attempt to run
counter
to it.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-20 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-15  6:50 GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Jamie Ayre
2005-09-15  7:34 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15  8:44   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15  9:27     ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-15 10:03       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15  9:33     ` Brian May
2005-09-15 10:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 22:58         ` Brian May
2005-09-15  9:39     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15 10:50     ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 11:19       ` Stephane Riviere
2005-09-15 11:30     ` GtkAda and GPL/GMGPL, was: Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is Simon Clubley
2005-09-15 11:42       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 12:00     ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 12:44       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 12:55         ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 13:37       ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-18 15:24       ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-15 13:01     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-15 15:39       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-15 16:09         ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-15 17:27       ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-15 23:26         ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16  0:02           ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-16  1:37             ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16 15:16           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-15 14:27     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 15:35       ` Andreas Schwarz
2005-09-15 16:44         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 17:05           ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-15 17:17           ` Adrien Plisson
2005-09-15 18:08             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 20:39               ` almost free development tools (Was: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available) Adrien Plisson
2005-09-15 18:18           ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Martin Krischik
2005-09-18 16:10           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-15 18:14         ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-15 22:59           ` Andreas Schwarz
2005-09-15 17:20       ` Simon Clubley
2005-09-15 17:43       ` chris
2005-09-15 18:58       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 21:08         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 21:24           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-18 16:10             ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-19 12:44               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-19 16:08                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-19 16:20                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 21:25           ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-15 21:28             ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-16  8:28               ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 10:41                 ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-18 16:01           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-15 23:21         ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available - A Vote and some other comments Jeff Creem
2005-09-18 15:48         ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 18:10           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15 20:32       ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-16 12:36       ` xavier
2005-09-16 21:57       ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17 10:05         ` [OT] Reasons for using Debian (Was: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 17:41           ` Björn Persson
2005-09-18 16:17           ` [OT] Reasons for using Debian Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 15:42       ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 16:15         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 16:39           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 17:05             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-20  9:50               ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-20 10:28                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 17:32             ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-18 18:25           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-18 21:19             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-19 13:06               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15 16:01     ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-15 16:27     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-15 16:59       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 18:42       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16  9:17     ` David Trudgett
2005-09-16 14:15     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 13:13     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 17:24       ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-19 14:12       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-20  5:09         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 18:59     ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-18 21:27       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-19  7:23         ` Brian May
2005-09-19  7:49         ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15  8:10 ` David Trudgett
2005-09-15  8:50   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15  8:56     ` wojtek
2005-09-15 18:08       ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-15 20:09         ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 22:33           ` Björn Persson
2005-09-15 23:13             ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-18 15:30           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-19  7:56             ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-19 12:46               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-19 20:08                 ` Björn Persson
2005-09-19 21:23             ` Björn Persson
2005-09-19 23:05         ` wojtek
2005-09-19 23:55           ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-21  7:17             ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 12:26               ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-21 13:22                 ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-20 13:50           ` Steve
2005-09-20 18:01             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-20 19:10               ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-20 19:17                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-21  2:22               ` Steve
2005-09-21  4:48               ` Steve Whalen
2005-09-21 23:30           ` chris
2005-09-27  9:28             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-15 18:06     ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-15 19:34       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-15 20:14       ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21  7:27         ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21  7:57           ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21  7:58           ` Brian May
2005-09-15 11:55   ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16  8:36     ` David Trudgett
2005-09-16 10:14       ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-16 10:56         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 12:20           ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-16 12:59             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 13:58               ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-16 15:37               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-17 14:09                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 16:45               ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-16 18:12                 ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-17  6:58                   ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-17 10:20                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 12:47                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-17 13:37                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 14:17                       ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-17 17:42                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 17:48                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 18:41                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 19:06                             ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17 20:39                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 22:59                                 ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17 23:32                                   ` tmoran
2005-09-18  0:25                                     ` Brian May
2005-09-18 15:35                           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-17 13:08                     ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-17 14:44                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-17 16:19                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-19 19:22                       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-21  7:57                     ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21  8:25                       ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-21  8:39                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-21  8:59                         ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-21 11:02                           ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-21 13:20                             ` Alex R. Mosteo
2005-09-21 17:29                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-21 20:26                               ` Martin Dowie
2005-10-07  0:56                             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-09-21 13:47                       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-19  1:20                   ` chrismiller677
2005-09-19 11:24                     ` Brian May
2005-09-19 13:19                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-19 13:35                         ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-19 13:38                       ` Dirk Craeynest
2005-09-19 14:49                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-19 19:17                         ` Björn Persson
2005-09-19 11:39                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-21  7:56                   ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21  8:03                     ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21 10:57                       ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 10:58                         ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 12:11                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-21 12:32                           ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-21 13:03                             ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21 13:16                           ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 13:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-21 20:30                           ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-21 17:27                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-21 19:11                           ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-16 20:31               ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17  2:51               ` David Trudgett
2005-09-17  5:56                 ` Simon Wright
2005-09-17 14:31                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 15:55                   ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-16 13:26             ` Stephane Riviere
2005-09-16 15:44             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-19  6:47               ` Steve Whalen
2005-09-19 23:49           ` wojtek
2005-09-20  0:06             ` wojtek
2005-09-19 12:57         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-16 10:56       ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16 14:19         ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-16 20:27         ` Björn Persson
2005-09-20  1:22         ` David Trudgett
2005-09-20  8:36           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-20 12:02           ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
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2005-09-15 13:18   ` Thomas Quinot
2005-09-15 10:30 ` Brian May
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2005-09-15 22:17     ` Brian May
2005-09-15 22:31       ` Britt Snodgrass
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2005-09-15 15:20   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 16:08     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-15 17:53     ` Simon Clubley
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