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From: dsr@hector.UUCP (David S. Rosenblum)
Subject: Re: Collective response to := messages
Date: 5 Dec 88 14:46:10 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <10963@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3734@hubcap.UUCP

In article <3734@hubcap.UUCP> wtwolfe@hubcap.clemson.edu writes:
|     OK.  Envision an ADT which just happens to be implemented as a pointer
|     to a descriptor, which probably has more pointers to the "value".  Now
|     our ADT user wishes to transfer an ADT "out".  The ADT user has no idea
|     how the ADT is implemented.  Now when the procedure was invoked, let's 
|     assume that the ADT supplied as an actual parameter had some value;
|     hence, the pointer which represents the "ADT type" is not null, and 
|     in fact constitutes the only known method for accessing a substantial
|     amount of utilized memory.  Our ADT user sends the value "out", and
|     Ada implements this by copying the value of a single pointer.  The old
|     pointer value associated with the actual parameter is lost forever,
|     and all the stuff it pointed to is now garbage.

The language already has a very nice feature to handle such situations.
It's called the "limited type".  By implementing your ADT as a limited
type, you deny the user of the ADT the ability to assign to variables and
in-out and out mode parameters of the type.  The only way to assign
to such a parameter or variable is to pass it to a subprogram that is
part of the implementation of the ADT.  That subprogram can then reclaim
the storage refernced by the access value if it decides to give the parameter
a new value.  Geoff Mendal did a nice paper on the encapsulation of storage
reclamation mechanisms inside user-defined ADTs in a paper he gave at a
recent SIGAda (you can get a copy from him).

|     Anything which is passed as an "in" parameter should be treatable as
|     something which was passed in by value.  Anything which is passed as
|     an "in out" parameter should be treatable as something which was passed
|     by reference.  Anything which is passed as an "out" parameter should
|     be treated as the target of a pass by value in the "outward" direction.
|
|     If nothing can be assumed about parameter passing behavior, then 
|     parameter passing is just too vaguely defined, and needs to be clarified.

You'll have to take this up with the Ada Language Maintenance Committee.
The language designers, and many Ada programmers, believe it to be as
clearly defined as it needs to be so that portable programs may be written.

|     When what is being passed is known to the user as an access value,
|     this is precisely what the programmer expects.  When what is being
|     passed is known to the user as an ADT, this sort of behavior is
|     totally counterintuitive.  It violates the abstraction.

Right.  So as I said above, define the ADT as limited private, so that
you (as the implementor of the ADT) can have complete control over the
use of the ADT.  That way the user of the ADT won't be able to violate the
abstraction.

Back to work.


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  reply	other threads:[~1988-12-05 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1988-11-28 22:19 Collective response to := messages Geoff Mendal
1988-11-29 14:39 ` Dennis Doubleday
1988-11-29 21:08 ` Ray Trent
1988-11-30 14:37   ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-01 14:54     ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-02 20:21       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-04 21:15         ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-04 23:27           ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-05 14:46             ` David S. Rosenblum [this message]
1988-12-05 21:23               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-07 17:33                 ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-07 16:03               ` Definition of pass by reference Robert Eachus
1988-12-07 17:15             ` Collective response to := messages Stephe Leake
1988-12-07 16:07       ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-09  3:15         ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-01 21:31     ` Ray Trent
1988-12-07 16:21       ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-30 16:29   ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-11-30 18:29     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-11-30 22:28       ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-01  3:09         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-01 15:16           ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-02 19:31             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-04 21:03               ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-05  2:34                 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-05 14:07                   ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-07 17:26                     ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-06 19:16                 ` Collective response to := messa stt
1988-12-09  3:39                   ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-11-30 19:13     ` CORRECTION Re: Collective response to := messages David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-01 18:31     ` Ray Trent
1988-12-02 14:49       ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-05 17:33         ` Collective response to := messa stt
1988-11-30 18:24   ` Collective response to := messages Robert Eachus
1988-12-02 14:58     ` David S. Rosenblum
1988-12-02 19:34   ` Mark C. Adolph
1988-12-05 17:15     ` Collective response to := messa stt
1988-11-29 21:44 ` Collective response to := messages William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1989-07-26 20:34 Memory Access Question tony
1989-07-27 13:06 ` richard a hammond
1989-07-27 18:53   ` Ray Trent
1989-07-28  0:48     ` Mike Murphy
1989-08-02 13:23       ` Mike Walsh
1989-08-02 20:20         ` Mike Murphy
1989-07-29  0:00 ` Brian Sullivan
1988-12-05  6:53 Collective response to := messages Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-03 22:53 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-04 20:41 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-05  5:47   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-05 12:45     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-06  1:54       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-06 20:43         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-03 21:08 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-04 20:30 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-11-14 13:20 Ada language revision Stanley Roger Allen, AdaDude
1988-11-15 23:28 ` Wilmer Rivers
1988-11-16 19:06   ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-11-17 15:34     ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-18 16:39       ` Steve Tynor
1988-11-18 19:22       ` Ron Guilmette
1988-11-23 22:22       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-11-29 15:35         ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-18  0:32     ` Ron Guilmette
1988-11-22 14:37       ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-23 13:37         ` Dennis Doubleday
1988-11-23 19:41           ` Steve Tynor
1988-11-23 21:14             ` Richard Pattis
1988-11-25 20:36             ` Robert Firth
1988-11-29 15:12           ` limited private types Stephe Leake
1988-12-01 23:06             ` Ron Guilmette
1988-12-05  1:48               ` Paul Stachour
1988-12-05 12:31                 ` Reference Semantics William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-06  0:29                   ` Paul Stachour
1988-12-07  1:07                     ` Reference Semantics, assignment overloading, etc Ray Trent
1988-12-08 17:36                       ` Reference Semantics, assignment ryer
1988-12-06 16:56               ` limited private types ryer
1988-12-06 20:09               ` stt
1988-12-07 15:51               ` Stephe Leake
1988-11-21 15:40   ` Ada language revision stt
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