From: Alastair Hogge <agh@riseup.net>
Subject: Re: In precision typing we trust
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 01:27:06 -0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1088h1a$19635$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 10855lq$gj8l$1@dont-email.me
On Wed, 20 Aug 2025 18:54:50 +0000, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>>Some people called Ada 83 an "object-based" language, perhaps because
>>Ada programs typically modelled the real application objects (as
>>abstract data types) even before tagged types were available.
>>
>>
> This guy researched the origins of OOP with a focus on C++ apparently
> botching it up. I'm not sure how interesting anyone might find it to
> be.
>
> "https://youtu.be/wo84LFzx5nI"
It is with increasing frequency that video presentations, or plain-old
written articles are making these assertions about OOP, and it's origins,
and obvious problems in the context of C++. They all ignore Ada, and the
Lisps, and their contributions, and their sound design in the context of
OOP. This is a deliberate, disingenuous attack on the viewer's intellect,
it is an extremely low quality of pedagogy, the only aim of which, is to
increase the author's social capital.
Casey's presentation is part of a longer history of their critique on C++
"OOP" (and good on them, because C++ is a stain on the construction of
computer science), unfortunately, Casey and the rest stopped being
humorous years ago, and their over-confident conviction, based on a fad to
reject critical thinking, and substituting history with their own "modes
of truth", or their "play on words, and meaning" now become insufferable
to observe (mostly because of their emphasis on rhetoric, over reason and
logic, draw too many parallels with conservatism, bordering on proto-
fascism)—the post-modern condition, what an absurd load of shit the world
now produces.
--
To health and anarchy
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2025-08-18 10:29 In precision typing we trust Kevin Chadwick
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2025-08-20 0:41 ` Lawrence D’Oliveiro
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2025-08-20 19:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2025-08-20 0:40 ` Lawrence D’Oliveiro
2025-08-20 13:59 ` Niocláisín Cóilín de Ghlostéir
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2025-08-20 21:59 ` Lawrence D’Oliveiro
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2025-08-21 21:37 ` Lawrence D’Oliveiro
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2025-08-22 12:49 ` Kevin Chadwick
2025-08-22 22:13 ` Lawrence D’Oliveiro
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2025-08-24 21:51 ` Lawrence D’Oliveiro
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2025-08-30 3:34 ` Lawrence D’Oliveiro
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2025-08-27 9:06 ` Kevin Chadwick
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