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From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: A simple ADA puzzle (I haven't the answer)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:19:21 -0400
Date: 2004-06-17T08:19:21-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1087474761.60413@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jhj2d010m9bj369vnt4oupomg37pni9lad@4ax.com>

Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> If a programmer does not understand what are arrays, types and
> constraints, then probably he/she should look for other job, probably
> as a dish-washer?

But this programmer does understand what arrays and types are,
just not how they manifest in Ada. And constrained types are
unique to Ada, or at least they are not present in the popular
languages of the day. Knowing what an array is has nothing to
do with knowing that in Ada they can be passed by value, or that
you can declare an array object which gets its bounds from an
initializer. Knowing what a type is does not tell you that in
Ada a polymorphic type can't be declared in the same places that
other types can. And that bit of code with constraints that eats
all of memory looks completely innocent. How is an Ada newcomer
to know that the default discriminant doesn't apply when an object
of that type is created?

Since most programmers do not know Ada, if they are to be taught
the language then these places where Ada is extremely different
from the languages they do know must be carefully described, and
done so in terms of the concepts they already know.

Acting condescendingly towards people who are not learned in the
nuances of what is at best a niche language is not going to win
any converts.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-17 12:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-16 15:40 A simple ADA puzzle (I haven't the answer) Abby
2004-06-16 16:21 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 16:26   ` Abby
2004-06-16 17:01     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 17:18       ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-17  6:57         ` Brian May
2004-06-17 12:44         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 17:58     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-23 21:14       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-16 19:51     ` Simon Wright
2004-06-16 17:56   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-16 22:25     ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-17  0:41       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-17  7:45         ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-17 14:20     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-18 18:07     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-06-18 18:37       ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-19  2:11         ` Brian May
2004-06-19 11:25         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-06-19  1:27       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-19 11:17         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-06-16 18:31   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-16 20:16     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 21:05       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 13:26         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-17 14:19           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 15:24             ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-23 21:27               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-17 19:17           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-16 22:48     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-17 10:25       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-17 14:33         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-17 23:15           ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-23 21:30           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-17  8:06     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-17 12:19       ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2004-06-17 14:16         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-17 14:17           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 22:51           ` Brian May
2004-06-18  7:50             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-18 12:32               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-18  9:14           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-18 12:24             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-18 12:41             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-18 13:16               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-18 14:01                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-18 16:14                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-19  9:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-21  3:30                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-21  8:16                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-21 16:32                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-22  2:19                             ` David Starner
2004-06-22 13:03                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-23 21:37                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24  8:39                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-24 20:53                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-25  8:24                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-25 17:37                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-26  7:55                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-29  0:08                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-29  9:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-29 18:36                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-23 21:21     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24  1:03       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-24 15:19       ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-24 16:04         ` Ed Falis
2004-06-24 21:04           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-25 15:30             ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-25 18:16               ` Bob Spooner
2004-06-25 19:23                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-26 15:26                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-28  4:52                     ` Steve
2004-07-04 19:06                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-29  0:03                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24 21:00         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-16 16:49 ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-17 10:58   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-17  3:48 ` Steve
2004-06-17 10:39   ` Björn Persson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-17  8:38 Christoph Karl Walter Grein
2004-06-23 21:43 ` Randy Brukardt
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