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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototypinglanguage)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:17:05 -0500
Date: 2004-04-06T14:17:05-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <10760hq4hahaa25@corp.supernews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.193.1081267703.327.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org

"Marius Amado Alves" <amado.alves@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:mailman.193.1081267703.327.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org...
> > You can't really mean that, can you? Luck is the only thing that makes
> > anybody or anything successful?...
>
> I too was suprised by Randy's extreme pessimism. I'm sure he was
> hiperbolizing and not giving up on writing good software :-)

I'm not giving up on writing good software, but I have little hope that
anyone else will.

Remember, I was involved during the first PC boom and bust. I saw a lot of
companies with good, solid products (including us) get run over by companies
with flashy marketing and barely functional products. What were they doing
better? It wasn't giving the customer anything real, but rather giving them
the *illusion* of some benefit.

That's what sells Java, Visual Basic, etc. today. And to compete with that
flashy marketing, Ada would need several tens of millions of dollars. That's
not going to happen. Moreover, there doesn't seem to be anything resembling
a contender to replace Ada with an appropriate budget. So good software is
doomed.

              Randy.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-06 19:17 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-02-07  8:50 ` No call for it Carroll-Tech
2004-02-07 13:00   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-07 13:19     ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 14:56     ` David Harmon
2004-02-07 15:03     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-08 12:12       ` Simon Wright
2004-02-09  2:36         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-07 19:24     ` MSG
2004-02-07 19:32       ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 22:47       ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-07 23:19       ` tmoran
2004-02-08  3:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08 12:57         ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-02 23:18         ` Beth Bruzan
2004-04-03  0:08           ` David Starner
2004-04-03  0:33             ` Ed Falis
2004-04-03 13:11               ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03  9:13             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 11:51               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 15:09                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-03 17:14                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 22:26                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-04  6:41                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-04 10:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-04 12:38                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-04-05 18:07                     ` No call for Ada Marc A. Criley
2004-04-05 21:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 11:00                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 22:09                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 22:20                       ` chris
2004-04-06 13:25                         ` Marc A. Criley
2004-04-07  1:17                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-03 22:59               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-04  0:33                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-04  9:57               ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-03  9:21           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 13:06           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 14:12             ` James Rogers
2004-04-03 14:29               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 16:54                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 19:46                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 19:58                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-16 11:27                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16 13:00                           ` No call for it Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-16 16:39                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-04-16 19:45                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-05 12:10                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 20:38                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-05 22:50                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06  8:17                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  2:15                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  2:55                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  9:34                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  9:34                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07 11:38                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:18                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 11:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 20:46                                     ` No call for Ada Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-09 11:26                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09 15:50                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08  2:29                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 16:49                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-10  0:51                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-10 10:49                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11  3:10                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-11 10:31                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11 21:47                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-12 10:29                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13  0:36                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-13 10:55                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13 22:44                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-13 23:32                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14  8:49                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-14 23:22                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-15 10:37                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16  2:47                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-16 11:36                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16 13:52                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-16 17:37                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17  2:34                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  8:08                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17 18:07                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-18  8:24                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-19  1:53                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-19 14:29                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20  1:41                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-20  8:12                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20 11:33                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-21  2:51                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-21  9:29                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 11:58                                                                                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 11:50                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:38                                                                                             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 13:58                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 15:30                                                                                                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  7:49                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 15:27                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-22 11:50                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-22 14:14                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22 15:56                                                                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22 15:42                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:36                                                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-21 17:48                                                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-22  3:16                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  8:32                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:32                                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-22  8:43                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:57                                                                                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-21 14:02                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22  1:16                                                                                           ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22 14:09                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22 14:10                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22  3:15                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22  8:22                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-23  2:30                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-23  8:08                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-24  1:28                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-26  8:06                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-26 15:54                                                                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-27  3:26                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-27  8:11                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-27 14:25                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-28  2:03                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-28 12:12                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29  3:41                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-29 10:36                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29 15:49                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-30 10:56                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:29                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  7:55                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 19:10                                                                                                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-03 11:17                                                                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:46                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30  1:47                                                                                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-30 12:57                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:44                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  9:17                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 11:46                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:17                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-01  2:38                                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-03  9:58                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 12:06                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:31                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 15:10                                                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04  8:23                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 12:21                                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:09                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-05  8:44                                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:56                                                                                                                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-05-04 14:48                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04  3:11                                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-04  8:47                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 20:34                                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-05  8:29                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 15:04                                                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
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2004-04-30 20:30                                                                                                                   ` [OT] price of doing science (was: No call for Ada...) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-15 14:25                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-13 12:57                                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-14  0:11                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14 11:43                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-13 21:09                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15 16:10                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-06  8:32                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17  0:12                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-17 10:29                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17 17:40                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-04-17 18:13                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 23:30                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-06 11:59                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 13:25                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 17:18                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 18:30                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 20:59                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 22:54                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  8:23                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:10                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-06 22:07                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06 19:07                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 21:20                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-06 21:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07  0:31                             ` David Starner
2004-04-07  2:48                               ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  8:43                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:23                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-07 17:40                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-07 22:14                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-07 22:44                                   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07 23:06                                     ` Szymon Guz
2004-04-08 17:34                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-08 11:46                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-08 13:53                                           ` No call for Ada Samuel Tardieu
2004-04-08  9:18                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-08 13:39                                       ` Ed Falis
2004-04-08  3:51                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-08 18:36                                   ` chris
2004-04-08 18:43                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-08 19:09                                       ` chris
2004-04-09  0:18                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-09  1:29                                           ` chris
2004-04-09 11:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09  0:12                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-09 11:37                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 16:38                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-09 15:44                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-09 15:55                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 19:28                                   ` Robert Spooner
2004-04-09 21:01                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-10 19:27                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 20:06                                       ` tmoran
2004-04-10 20:16                                         ` Ed Falis
2004-04-10 21:38                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 23:23                                           ` tmoran
2004-04-11  4:06                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-12  3:30                                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-12  9:16                                                   ` chris
2004-04-12 11:25                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 11:47                                                       ` chris
2004-04-12 12:27                                                         ` chris
2004-04-12 15:43                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11  0:16                                           ` Ed Falis
2004-04-11 13:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2004-04-11 13:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 22:34                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-14 11:41                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:12                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-14 17:52                                                 ` No call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-15 16:17                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-15 11:22                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 19:22                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-15 11:38                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 22:11                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-11  1:01                                       ` Call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-11  4:08                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11 14:02                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 13:55                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 23:56                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-12 11:29                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 18:50                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) chris
2004-04-09 15:48                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-13 14:14                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15  2:12                                 ` Alan Anderson
2004-04-15 21:50                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 11:59                                     ` David Starner
2004-04-17 11:31                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-17 13:58                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 17:53                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 18:19                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 20:26                                         ` Character encodings Björn Persson
2004-04-17 20:34                                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 22:28                                             ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 22:38                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-18  4:10                                           ` David Starner
2004-04-18 18:49                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-19  5:02                                               ` David Starner
2004-04-20 16:07                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 19:48                                                   ` Internationalization/localization (Was: No call for Ada) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-04-23 20:16                                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 23:30                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18 22:20                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-20  1:02                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-20  4:51                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 22:23                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-18  0:07                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18  3:57                                         ` David Starner
2004-04-18 19:27                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-07  1:07                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-06 17:28                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:34                               ` chris
2004-04-07 13:54                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 19:17                             ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2004-04-06 23:35                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototypinglanguage) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  0:38                               ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-03 16:31               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-04  0:30                 ` James Rogers
2004-04-04 21:36                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-05 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:58             ` No call for Ada Berend de Boer
2004-02-08 13:05       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 16:20         ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 18:02           ` Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 19:06             ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 20:39               ` Martin Ambuhl
2004-02-10  3:37                 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-10  7:07                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 22:03                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-11 19:26                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 20:11                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-11 21:09                         ` Imperialism (OT) (Was: No call for Ada) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 18:46                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-13 21:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-12  2:57                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander Kopilovitch
2004-02-13 22:47                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-14  4:48                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-15 21:53                               ` Comparative military mythology (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:12                                 ` Ed Falis
2004-02-16 16:39                                   ` Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:40                                 ` Frode Tennebø
2004-02-15 22:15                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-02-18 11:28                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2004-02-12 13:55                         ` Reivilo Snuved
2004-02-12  1:02                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-12 16:56                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-10 18:39                   ` Ed Falis
2004-02-12  1:21                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-09 11:20               ` Thomas Stegen CES2000
2004-02-08 23:25         ` MSG
2004-02-09  0:11           ` James Rogers
2004-02-10  2:26             ` MSG
2004-02-10  2:37               ` Ed Falis
2004-02-10  2:45               ` James Rogers
2004-02-11 11:04                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 12:13                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-11 12:51                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 21:04                   ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 10:05               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 11:08                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 14:13                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 14:11                     ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 20:49                       ` Mark McIntyre
2004-02-11  0:12                       ` August Derleth
2004-02-16 14:46                   ` The inner workings of Gnat (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-16 17:59                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-02-16 18:18                       ` The inner workings of Gnat Björn Persson
2004-02-11  2:19                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) MSG
2004-02-11  6:30                   ` James Rogers
2004-02-12 23:20                     ` Ada performance (was No call for Ada ) MSG
2004-02-13  0:19                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-13  1:32                       ` Greg Lindahl
2004-02-13  4:18                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-13  1:39                       ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  1:42                         ` Richard Heathfield
2004-02-12 19:23                           ` Larry Hazel
2004-02-13  4:06                           ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  6:37                       ` Per Sandberg
2004-02-13 13:36                         ` James Rogers
2004-02-13 15:09                       ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-13 17:06                         ` Rich Townsend
2004-02-19  9:19                           ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-15 19:17                       ` Joona I Palaste
2004-02-11  9:22                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-11 13:10                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 14:23                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-12 12:49                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-12 13:54                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-13 13:01                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 15:41                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-12 15:37                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-13 13:11                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 16:41                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-14  8:53                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-14 21:54                       ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-15 14:15                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17  9:19                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Jerry Coffin
2004-02-17 12:23                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17 23:20                             ` David Starner
2004-02-11 16:06                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Xenos
2004-02-11 16:47                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 17:42                         ` Xenos
2004-02-11 18:23                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 20:55                             ` Xenos
2004-02-11 22:58                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-17  9:14                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-02-10 10:10               ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-10 11:13                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 16:46                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 23:29                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 12:52               ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-09  1:24           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-11 11:03             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 21:13               ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-12  3:12                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-12  3:36                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13  0:00                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-13  5:18                         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13 11:04                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-13 14:34                             ` Peter Amey
2004-02-14  5:43                             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-14  5:54                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-18 17:18                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 19:13                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-17  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-17  8:26                         ` Peter Amey
2004-02-18 17:22                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 18:55                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-20 21:31                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-21 21:47                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 17:45                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-26 12:45                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 13:30                           ` sk
2004-02-26 19:43                           ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-26 22:36                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 22:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-02-27  0:50                               ` David Starner
2004-02-25 18:59                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 19:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26  9:16                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-26 12:52                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 14:36                           ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                     ` <MPG.1a9Organization: LJK Software <Bh2UPd8LMBWg@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-02-28  4:21                       ` Those "home hobbyists..." (was: No call for Ada) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28  8:06                         ` tmoran
2004-02-28 13:28                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-28 16:23                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28 18:47                             ` tmoran
2004-03-03 17:27                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-12  8:43                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 19:31             ` Rob Thorpe
2004-02-11 21:03               ` Chris Torek
2004-02-09  9:55           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 10:19         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 15:34           ` Pat Rogers
2004-02-17  1:14           ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-07 21:03     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  0:25     ` David Starner
2004-02-08  1:00       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08  2:29         ` David Starner
2004-02-08 16:02           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08 20:55             ` David Starner
2004-02-09 17:39               ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  2:54       ` Nick Landsberg
2004-02-07 16:51   ` No call for it Jano
2004-02-07 17:53     ` Ed Falis
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