From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: Software Patent Concerns => New Black Markets?
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:36:33 -0400
Date: 2003-08-18T15:36:33-04:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1061235392.884013@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.24.1061231507.299.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>
Robert C. Leif wrote:
> Why do you want a system that discriminates against software inventors?
We don't. We want to discriminate against inventors in general.
The patent system is a devil's bargain at the best of times, because
it drastically limits freedom of expression. It makes sense for some
cases where the costs of invention are high, the reproducilibilty is
cheap, and the invention is useless unless marketed. Developing new
drugs is such a thing - a drug company has no use for drugs except to
sell them; it itself isn't sick. Developing software usually fails the
third test, because much software is written to be used, not sold.
Ditto for business processes; Amazon developed one-click to enhance the
utility of its web shopping site.
What many people seem to forget is that the vast majority of people get
paid for the time they work, and no more. The people who erected MS's
office building do not receive payments for the software developed there.
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2003-08-10 7:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-10 16:35 ` rleif
2003-08-10 17:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 16:14 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-12 18:12 ` Ed Falis
2003-08-10 22:45 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-08-12 14:55 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 12:59 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-13 13:46 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 14:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 17:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2003-08-13 10:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-08-13 11:00 ` Preben Randhol
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2003-08-13 12:12 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 11:32 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-12 16:17 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-13 3:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-19 13:54 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2003-08-10 17:04 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-11 14:20 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-12 12:34 ` Marin David Condic
2003-08-12 13:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-13 3:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-08-13 7:14 ` Preben Randhol
2003-08-13 13:24 ` Marin David Condic
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