From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: Ariane5 FAQ
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:04:47 -0400
Date: 2003-07-30T11:04:47-04:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1059577487.590527@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F27C108.14E7000A@adaworks.com>
Richard Riehle wrote:
> Yet they did design the Ariane 4 within those limits.
> They would have had to anticipate some yet unknown
> information regarding future projects.
There are two different things here which you are mixing up.
The first is making a program work within the limits specified
for its external inputs. As you say, Ariane 4 was designed that
way, and worked fine.
The second is making a program verify that its external inputs
actually lie within the specified limits. This was not done in
the Ariane 4 case. In general, this is a popular feature to omit,
since in a properly functioning overall system, these checks will
never trigger. But such programming protects the code against
"some yet unknown information regarding future projects" by
noticing when specified constraints on external inputs are violated.
> There is limit to how much checking one can do in any system.
Sure. If the tradeoff was clearly in favor of one side or the
other, these discussions woudn't arise as much. It's the same
issue as deciding whether to leave range checks turned on in
deployed code.
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2003-07-21 2:10 Ariane5 FAQ Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-07-21 14:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 15:54 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 18:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 18:10 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 18:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 19:13 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-21 19:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 20:46 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-22 2:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 5:12 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 19:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 8:03 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2003-07-22 9:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 0:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 0:31 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-23 13:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 16:35 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-25 1:21 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-25 4:26 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-25 12:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 15:47 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-25 16:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 18:44 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-25 21:08 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-26 1:02 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 2:44 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-27 17:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-27 22:19 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-28 1:17 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-28 2:39 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-28 3:16 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-28 17:34 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-28 18:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 0:41 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-29 16:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-30 0:53 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-31 21:41 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-01 20:19 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-29 4:43 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-29 6:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 8:06 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-29 19:42 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 21:14 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-30 1:13 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 12:58 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 15:04 ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2003-07-29 19:46 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 6:19 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 7:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 13:03 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-30 13:16 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-30 15:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 15:15 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-30 16:46 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 16:54 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-31 8:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 9:36 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-31 16:28 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-29 19:34 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 20:49 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-29 21:52 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-28 18:01 ` Non-philosophical definition of Eiffel? (was: Re: Ariane5 FAQ) Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-28 18:18 ` Non-philosophical definition of Eiffel? Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-29 13:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 14:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-29 16:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 21:39 ` Jim Rogers
2003-07-29 22:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 8:48 ` Pascal Obry
2003-07-30 15:19 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 18:47 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-07-30 19:24 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-04 18:15 ` Robert Spooner
2003-07-29 22:02 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2003-07-30 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-30 16:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-31 9:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 15:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-01 7:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-08-01 13:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:58 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-29 20:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 1:20 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 1:49 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 2:52 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 4:33 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 4:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 13:16 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-07-30 20:08 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 3:03 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 4:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-30 20:20 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-30 21:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-29 19:51 ` Berend de Boer
2003-07-28 2:11 ` Ariane5 FAQ Hyman Rosen
2003-07-25 17:39 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-25 21:53 ` John R. Strohm
2003-07-22 18:29 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 18:50 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 19:00 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 20:47 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 21:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:38 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-23 13:56 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:52 ` Larry Elmore
2003-07-23 14:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 15:08 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 17:48 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 18:42 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 20:18 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 22:58 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 1:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 5:24 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-24 9:57 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-24 13:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-24 15:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-23 20:33 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-23 21:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-23 23:10 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 5:16 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 4:57 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-22 9:00 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-07-22 9:03 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 12:28 ` Marin David Condic
2003-07-23 19:40 ` Simon Wright
2003-07-22 3:11 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 9:05 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 9:38 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 16:38 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-21 22:03 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 1:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-21 18:56 ` Francisco Malpartida
2003-07-22 2:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 7:19 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-22 19:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 11:55 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-23 19:24 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-24 0:36 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-21 22:00 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-22 1:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 9:07 ` John McCabe
2003-07-22 13:25 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 0:16 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-22 1:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 7:21 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2003-07-21 23:24 ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2003-07-22 1:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 16:35 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-22 18:36 ` Mike Silva
2003-07-22 19:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-07-22 21:50 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-23 14:21 ` Hyman Rosen
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