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From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:31:58 -0500
Date: 2002-12-17T11:31:58-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1040142718.867309@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3DFF20BD.A58113F5@brighton.ac.uk>

John English wrote:
 > but only Iraq out of all these gets slated for regime change.

For now, John, for now... :-)

> I find these a lot more credible than the
> ostensible reasons that the White House is giving out.

But that's because you're already predisposed to dislike
the US government and believe the worst about it.

> execution without trial of some people in a jeep in Yemen

Certainly. That's pretty much the definition of war.

> and hundreds more are locked up in Cuba with neither trial,
 > access to a lawyer or even the protection of the Geneva Convention.

Sure. More war stuff. I believe they're occasionally visited by
the Red Cross, and are able to mail letters out.

> a global school bully

Rather, we are acting unilaterally in our own interests,
attempting to ferret out those we see as ideological
fellow travelers of the people who attacked us.

> It seems to believe that it can imprison foreign nationals without trial

We can. We have.

> tear up international treaties

If we can enter into them, I don't see why we can't exit them.

> and impose "regime change" on foreign states
 > (even if democratically elected, as in Chile)

Well, we can try. It doesn't always work out well.
I assume we did it in Chile to fight Communism.
That's not an unreasonable thing to do, since that
was the great evil of its day. Democracy is only a
good way of running things when it's associated with
a constitutional system protecting everyone. For
instance the hardline Hindu nationalist BJP party
was just overwhelmingly elected in Gujarat. That
might be democratic, but somehow I doubt that the
Muslim minority will take any comfort.

> the world finds it easy to mistrust the US

The world assumes that it can heap calumny and abuse
upon the US without consequence, and for the most part
it is correct. Then it becomes shocked when the US does
begin to exert its power becuase something has finally
roused it. It reminds me of when Argentina thought it
could just go and take the Falkland Islands away from
England.




  reply	other threads:[~2002-12-17 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-26 21:03 New Ada compiler for .NET Martin Carlisle
2002-11-26 21:28 ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-26 22:23   ` Jerry van Dijk
2002-11-27  8:30     ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-28 11:39       ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 17:56         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-28 22:21           ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-29  8:22             ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-27 12:48   ` Gautier
2002-11-27 17:31   ` Ted Dennison
2002-11-27 18:37     ` chris.danx
2002-11-27 18:39       ` chris.danx
2002-11-28  2:46     ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-28 18:03       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-29 20:25         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-30 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01 19:02           ` Richard Riehle
2002-12-02 23:01             ` Adam Kingsl
2002-12-03  0:27               ` Iran, was " tmoran
2002-12-05 11:15               ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-05 18:45                 ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-05 19:06                   ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-06 12:52                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-06 14:47                     ` Safety Group
2002-12-06 20:04                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:43                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-05 20:01                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 13:18                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:08                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:35                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:19                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:34                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:10                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:39                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:27                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 17:02                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 18:13                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:51                       ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 16:41                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:46                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:16                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:40                   ` faust
2002-12-22  1:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  7:39                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23 11:09                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-23 14:39                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-05 20:52                 ` OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-05 23:06                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06 20:22                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:18                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09  6:36                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  4:33                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10 14:46                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 21:49                           ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-10 22:14                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:17                               ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-16  4:58                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 19:12                                   ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-11  3:56                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11  4:24                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11 19:48                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12  4:49                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-12  5:11                                     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-13 23:00                                       ` chris.danx
2002-12-15 15:54                                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16  2:25                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12 16:53                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 19:29                                 ` Programmer Dude
2002-12-11 14:28                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-11 12:57                           ` John English
2002-12-11 14:52                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:49                               ` chris.danx
2002-12-16  4:53                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-17 13:03                                   ` John English
2002-12-17 16:31                                     ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
2002-12-18 17:13                                       ` John English
2002-12-18 19:03                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 17:32                                           ` tmoran
2002-12-19 22:35                                           ` Michael Bode
2002-12-19 23:15                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  0:17                                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-21 22:08                                               ` Michael Bode
2002-12-22  1:46                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-24 15:35                                                 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-25  8:14                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  1:48                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06  3:28                   ` Smooth Sailor
2002-12-06  8:56                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-06 12:57                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:52                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 15:52                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 14:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 16:26                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-07  0:31                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  7:06                         ` Eric G. Miller
2002-12-09  5:11                           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  4:24                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-09  5:48                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  5:54                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 20:41                                 ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-10  3:17                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10  2:44                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 10:12                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-10 14:37                                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-16 15:02                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16 22:41                                     ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-17  2:48                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 16:17                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 13:37                             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-07 19:07                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-08  0:09                           ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-09  5:43                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 17:09                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-10 13:03                                 ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 14:58                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 17:49                                     ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 18:28                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-16  8:58                                         ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-09 17:47                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-09 17:53                                 ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 17:56                                 ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 20:22                                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 21:07                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  8:51                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-10 14:48                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-09 20:20                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 20:46                                   ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-09 22:13                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-10  3:18                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 21:11                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-07 23:08                         ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-09 13:36                       ` OT [Recipe against] " Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-09 14:43                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-11  9:11                     ` OT " Thierry Lelegard
2002-12-11 14:50                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-11 14:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:32                 ` New Ada compiler for .NET faust
2002-12-22  1:49                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  3:52                     ` Ed Falis
2002-12-22 22:51                     ` faust
2002-12-22  4:48                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  1:33                         ` faust
2002-12-22  6:48                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  6:29                             ` faust
2002-12-23  5:59                     ` Hillel Y. Sims
2002-12-21 17:33                 ` Chomsky ( was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) faust
2002-11-28 11:41     ` New Ada compiler for .NET Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 12:32       ` John English
2002-11-28 14:36         ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 14:26           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-11-29  3:00           ` Moe
2002-11-28 14:06     ` Preben Randhol
2002-11-28 15:12     ` Marin David Condic
2002-11-28 16:26       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01  0:27         ` tmoran
2002-12-01 13:22           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-02 17:19             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-02 23:46               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-03 19:42                 ` separating Politics from Reality Wes Groleau
2002-12-04 15:23                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-11-27  3:23 ` New Ada compiler for .NET Richard Riehle
2002-11-28 15:19   ` Marin David Condic
2002-11-29  2:23     ` Richard Riehle
2002-11-27  4:02 ` William J. Thomas
2002-11-27  4:19 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-11-28  9:01 ` Ingo Marks
2002-12-17 10:00   ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 13:57     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-17 19:46       ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 21:00         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2002-12-17 22:32           ` Martin Dowie
2002-11-28 16:45 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-12-01  9:25   ` Martin Dowie
2003-01-04 18:43 ` Michael Erdmann
     [not found] <mailman.1039527664.31015.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>
2002-12-10 13:50 ` OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Preben Randhol
2002-12-10 16:03   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 16:28   ` Georg Bauhaus
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2003-03-02  3:57 OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada Compiler " Adrian Hoe
2003-03-02  3:46 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-11  5:35 ` Karel Miklav
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