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From: amado.alves@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Ada for 1st year students
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2008-10-15T08:34:10-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01c4dcd1-2dd8-495c-9d2d-3e6976456378@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: aqcf6wexro0g.1jg6qhi6ub1f0.dlg@40tude.net

> It is not only a GPS problem. Visual Studio, GPS tries to imitate, has it,
> Workbench as well (and totally unusable in addition). You need to create a
> project up front. But typically people start a project with one or two
> files and want to work on incrementally. Ada as a language allows this. GPR
> project files do not. (Kasakov)

Exactly! Greatly put.

> I like AdaGIDE's approach that a source file can be compiled immediately
> and the "project" (I mean the *.ago file) is created in the background.
> Later, as the project grows you can modify the project file.

Yes, that makes a world of difference (if these drafted projects file
are needed at all, or convenient, or better than environmental
variables, which I still don't think they are).

> BTW, I don't consider visual editing of project files as a strength. It
> does not work in GPS, it also does not in Visual Studio....

Yeah, visual programming only introduces a new form of spaggetti. I've
seen this happen. Visual "programmers" writing the (possibly) right
code on the wrong textbox of the wrong popdown menu of the wrong
window... WIMP programmers indeed. Visual spaggetti, the worse kind
there is. Bugs extremely hard to find. Takes months. That's the
bleeding edge technology of programming tools :-(

I am not teaching IDEs, or project management, or configuration
management. I am teaching algorithmics, and Ada. The visual noise and
extra work introduced by these Visual IDEs is simply unacceptable for
this purpose.



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Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 16:06 Ada for 1st year students amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:44 ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 17:00   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-09 18:30     ` amado.alves
2008-11-01 12:13       ` Mike H
2008-10-09 18:25   ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:09     ` Vadim Godunko
2008-10-09 19:37       ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 16:47 ` mockturtle
2008-10-09 17:06 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-10-09 19:36   ` Simon Wright
2008-10-14  4:32   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-10-14 10:58     ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 17:27 ` Robert A Duff
2008-10-09 18:35 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-09 19:36   ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 19:42 ` amado.alves
2008-10-09 20:05   ` ahab
2008-10-09 21:01   ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-09 21:13     ` Ed Falis
2008-10-09 23:14       ` amado.alves
2008-10-10  0:49         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
     [not found]         ` <D9OdnXWk_MQQOXPVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-10  9:54           ` amado.alves
2008-10-10 17:44             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 10:40     ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:00       ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 11:14         ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 11:50           ` christoph.grein
2008-10-15 17:34             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-15 22:30               ` amado.alves
2008-10-16  7:45                 ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16  9:12                   ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 10:15                     ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:17                       ` Niklas Holsti
2008-10-16 11:35                         ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:24                         ` sjw
2008-10-17 12:00                           ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 16:26                     ` Pascal Obry
2008-10-16 18:15                       ` amado.alves
2008-10-16 19:14                         ` sjw
2008-10-17 11:59                           ` amado.alves
2008-10-16  9:42                   ` Common Configuration Settings (was: Ada for 1st year students) Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 10:24                     ` christoph.grein
2008-10-16 11:20                       ` Common Configuration Settings Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-16 11:37                         ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 13:57           ` Ada for 1st year students Pascal Obry
2008-10-15 15:20             ` amado.alves
2008-10-15 12:51         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-15 15:34           ` amado.alves [this message]
2008-10-25 19:06             ` Marco
2008-10-15 11:08       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-10-15 15:19         ` amado.alves
2008-10-10  0:09 ` Gene
2008-10-10  1:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-10 10:04   ` amado.alves
2008-10-11  0:15     ` Jeffrey Creem
2008-10-11 13:46       ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 14:46         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-11 20:43           ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 20:57             ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 23:37               ` Mike H
2008-10-12  1:06                 ` (see below)
     [not found]               ` <LIydnQ3Px5JC1WzVnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
2008-10-12  1:37                 ` Gary Scott
2008-11-01 12:09               ` Mike H
2008-10-11 12:54     ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 13:35       ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 23:17         ` Gene
2008-10-11 14:08       ` amado.alves
2008-10-13 12:51         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:07           ` amado.alves
2008-10-14 11:56             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-11 14:12       ` amado.alves
2008-10-11 16:20       ` (see below)
2008-10-12 13:00         ` John McCormick
2008-10-12 14:53           ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 15:31             ` Gary Scott
2008-10-12 16:19               ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 13:06                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 15:29                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 16:01                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 14:17                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-13 20:13                   ` amado.alves
2008-10-12 14:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 13:10             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:08               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 14:26                 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 14:46                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-14 12:03                     ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-14 12:25                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-10-13 15:52             ` John McCormick
2008-10-11 17:44       ` Simon Wright
2008-10-13 14:22 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-10-13 20:27   ` amado.alves
2008-10-19 20:49 ` Michael Feldman
2008-10-21 11:16   ` amado.alves
2008-10-22  0:41     ` John McCormick
2008-10-22  8:50       ` amado.alves
2008-10-22  9:26         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-10-22 11:07           ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:02           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 19:26             ` Adam Beneschan
2008-10-22 20:31               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-11-04 15:31             ` amado.alves
2008-11-04 18:16               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-11-05 15:30               ` John McCormick
2008-11-12 12:23                 ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 18:24           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-10-22 13:38         ` mcollado
2008-10-21 11:30   ` amado.alves
2008-10-21 12:34     ` Peter Hermann
2008-10-21 16:35       ` amado.alves
2008-10-22 13:40         ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 13:33       ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-22 14:11         ` Britt Snodgrass
2008-10-22 21:48           ` Larry A Barowski
2008-10-25 19:36         ` Marco
2008-10-28  0:49           ` lbarowski
2008-10-28 11:31           ` lbarowski
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