From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,54c513170bafd693 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: "Pat Rogers" Subject: Re: Desirability of C++ Date: 2000/05/01 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 618019123 References: <01HW.B4BFC2820005B06B08A24140@news.pacbell.net> <01HW.B4C1346100072D2408A24140@news.pacbell.net> <949867976.281549@the-rowan.albatross.co.nz> <8766v93w66.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> <38E8C81A.AA62CF4C@HiWAAY.net> <7EA1B852F5D4D8C6.26EEE9181C80F0DF.0161EA2D9C353253@lp.airnews.net> <01HW.B51C1B6E00F41C2D04BB51B0@news.pacbell.net> <38F796B2.A99A206A@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <38F7A27A.4F7729FA@raytheon.com> <8eclae$afj$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> <4F706057FEE2A550.BF5FE19AE279EFCD.A55706B3F9D07043@lp.airnews.net> <8eiv08$820$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> <390D001C.7433140B@netwood.net> <390D58F9.7CC64B85@maths.unine.ch> <390D97DC.241E7CCD@netwood.net> <390D9E0C.9C28DAD6@netwood.net> <390DFAF3.325601ED@pacbell.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: news.swbell.net 957218719 208.191.184.67 (Mon, 01 May 2000 17:05:19 CDT) Organization: SBC Internet Services X-MSMail-Priority: Normal NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:05:19 CDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 2000-05-01T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: "Michael P. Walsh" wrote in message news:390DFAF3.325601ED@pacbell.net... > > Pat Rogers wrote: > > > "E. Robert Tisdale" wrote in message > > news:390D9E0C.9C28DAD6@netwood.net... > > > Pat Rogers wrote: > > > > > > > > Does it matter? The fact is that > > > > > more programmers are learning and using C++ than Ada. > > > > > > > > Cite references, please. Otherwise you are propagating myth. > > > > > > It isn't necessary to cite an authority > > > when you can determine the truth of the statement > > > directly through observation. > > > > I consider it highly unprofessional to present as fact that which one > > cannot prove. > This is a peculiar remark about a comment presented in > an Usenet newsgroup. These are not necessarily regarded > as requiring professional status to post. Of course one need not be a professional to post, but that doesn't change the -- IMHO -- unprofessional nature of presentation of opinion as fact. One person's experience does not constitute industry-wide fact. I view it to be a matter of professional ethics. > Also the comment of the number of C++ programmers as > compared to Ada programmers seems to be borne out by > a comparison of the number of media references and, in > my case, by general contact with various software > people. That's just my point -- your *experience* says 'X' is the case and so you quite rightly qualify it with "seems", rather than state it to be a fact. I'm objecting to the propagation of unfounded personal experience as general fact. I likewise object to the "fact" that C++ is dead and that Java has taken over based on the number of media references, etc. > Of course, there may be a problem in counting C++ programmers > as compared to general use of other versions of the C language > but Ada, as far as I can tell is being used primarily on large > software programs that have high requirements for reliability. > It does not seem to be in general use in commercial software. Agreed. > The problem may well be that C++ is being used in a number > of places where Ada would be preferable, but that isn't the > point of this particular remark. Agreed. -- Pat Rogers Consulting and Training in: http://www.classwide.com Deadline Schedulability Analysis progers@classwide.com Software Fault Tolerance (281)648-3165 Real-Time/OO Languages