From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5265ce03ee8f5252 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-06 17:19:15 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.cs.utwente.nl!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news.tele.dk!210.147.7.1!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!kilgallen From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ok sorry, it is just a book gives no feedback. Message-ID: References: <931r2l$4ai5t$2@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de> <931t08$5u5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <932632$e0e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <932an8$ijs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93421h$2ju$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <934j5c$eu9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <937jk6$s6l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <9386t0$av0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: LJK Software Date: 6 Jan 2001 20:12:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.44.122.34 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 978829972 216.44.122.34 (Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:12:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:12:52 GMT Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3728 Date: 2001-01-06T20:12:49-05:00 List-Id: In article <9386t0$av0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Robert Dewar writes: > In article , > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >> I supposed it might be annoying to some people, but I detest >> that style of debugging. > > Well I think a programmer should be able to use whatever tools > are available. > > Sounds like you would be totally stuck if you had no > debugger available, and that would be unfortunate:-) Yes, relying a debugger that does not exist is a bad idea. Lacking a debugger would be something I would detest. For non-embedded work, I would hope the portability of Ada would let me debug on a machine with a good debugger (for some meaning of "good") for most of the work. > Sure, if the > debugger can solve your problem fine, but there are definitely > occasions on which the "put line" style of debugging is useful. > > That's particularly true if the added debugging code is > complex, and you have a debugger that does not allow for > complex conditionals in breakpoints. Are there many such debuggers still in use for major operating systems ? I remember something called ODT (Octal Debugging Tool) for the PDP-8, but I think a lot of people do not even remember the PDP-8. To some extent I look at how far kernel mode debuggers have progressed and figure that is indicative of the world at large. Sure, Alpha VMS has a kernel mode debugger giving full symbolic support using a second machine. But then I have read about (but not used) the same thing for MacOS. Unix fans are often touting the sophistication of their tools. So where are the weak debuggers ?