From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f849b,b8d52151b7b306d2 X-Google-Attributes: gidf849b,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,a00006d3c4735d70 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-12-27 08:20:31 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!phaedsys.demon.co.uk!chris From: Chris Hills Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Certified C compilers for safety-critical embedded systems Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:15:27 +0000 Organization: Phaedrus Systems Message-ID: References: <3fe00b82.90228601@News.CIS.DFN.DE> <3FE026A8.3CD6A3A@yahoo.com> <3bf1uvg2ntadvahfud2rg6ujk24sora6gr@4ax.com> <2u3auvogde8ktotlaq0ldiaska3g416gus@4ax.com> <20619edc.0312221020.3fd1b4ee@posting.google.com> <20619edc.0312222106.3b369547@posting.google.com> <45cs9hAbLc6$EAAx@phaedsys.demon.co.uk> <20619edc.0312241511.3a934503@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: phaedsys.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1072542030 13058 80.176.226.26 (27 Dec 2003 16:20:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:20:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 M <7y9ouFdz6gbBVVTek6rkWKl0do> Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.arch.embedded:6157 comp.lang.ada:3849 Date: 2003-12-27T16:15:27+00:00 List-Id: In article , David Emery writes >Several people have asserted the argument that the large >number of users of a given tool implies quality in that tool. > >I don't buy it. By this logic, MS Windows should be >absolutely flawproof, and the infamous Pentium Divide bug >should never have happened. We are in comp.arch.embedded...... Ms Desktop tools are not relevant. Besides AFAIK their license excludes any safety critical use. >No amount of usage can make up for design flaws. Popularity >is much less about technical qualities than it is about >marketing. C, Windows, x86 chips have substantial market >share, which is not the same as saying that they have >substantial quality by design. Correct for the desktop tools but among *Embedded* tools it does especially where the aim is to go for the high reliability market. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/\ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/