From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,27539c823b51b306 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-19 23:45:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "McDoobie" Subject: Re: Ada vendors and the art of selling used cars Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net> User-Agent: Pan/0.8.1beta4 (Unix) X-No-Productlinks: Yes Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 06:45:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.109.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2 998289950 24.0.109.49 (Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:45:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:45:50 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12109 Date: 2001-08-20T06:45:50+00:00 List-Id: In article <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net>, "Andrzej Lewandowski" wrote: > Ada vendors, > > Could you please publish price list of your products? > > With notable exception of R.R. Software that makes the price list > public, any attempt to know the cost of tools from other vendors results > in "you will be contacted by our sales representative". The very first > attempt of such sales representative is investigating the depth of my > pocket. Usual question is "what for you will be using our product?" that > generates my standard answer: "not your f...g business". > > It seems that "used car dealer mentality" is the REAL obstacle in making > Ada more popular than it is. > > A.L. I second that motion. I'm checking around for a good Ada development environment, and I wouldnt mind picking up a copy of GNAT Pro or the Aonix toolchain. But "contact our sales rep" is irritating as hell. I suspect the reason they wont list the prices is because it would probably take a real good con-artist salesman to get me to even consider paying what thier asking. It gives me the impression that they're hiding something. I wouldnt have any problem paying for a decent development environment, one that will run on Linux or BSD, but until these companies are a little more forthcoming with the critical information, I will refuse to buy from them. At least with Java and C and such, I can purchase tools right online with a credit or debit card and them delivered next day air (should I choose to do so). So piss on it, for now I'll continue using the free tools that are available. Dealing with "Sales Reps" feels too much like dealing with telemarketers. Laters. McDoobie chris@dont.spam.me