From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,7e23f0cf35f9dd25 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: comp.lang.ada.leypold References: From: M E Leypold Date: 30 Jun 2006 11:05:17 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.230.215 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1151657933 88.72.230.215 (30 Jun 2006 10:58:53 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:5366 Date: 2006-06-30T11:05:17+02:00 List-Id: "Alexander E. Kopilovich" writes: > M E Leypold wrote: > > >> >Ada is a cathedral. Beautiful, mathematical and complete. > >> > >> Well, like a cathedral - magnificient exterior, inspiring interior and good > >> liturgy. What is not so impressive there - is the doctrine -;) > > > >Which doctrine? I mean, with Ada? > > Well, usually a cathedral is associated (at any given moment of time) with > some doctrine. > > Although Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine ) rightly notes > that "Sometimes 'doctrine' is an ambitious word for a mere slogan", I didn't > use the word in that sense, as the doctrine behind Ada is not a mere slogan, > far from that. Therefore, if you don't know about that doctrine (and perhaps > do not even suspect its existense) then I can't help it. After all, generally, > real doctrines (unlike mere slogans) cannot be communicated via small talk. > In the case of Ada language, the doctrine may be generally described as a set > of principles, particular case studies and authoritative views that provide > guidelines for the language development and maintenance. Ah. As an hobbyist historian of old languages and operating systems: Are their any online sources on those guidelines and case studies? I know about steelman, the standards and the rationales themselves. I wasn't successful looking for tinman or woodenman and could not find a lot on the pre standard design phase. > >And what does the subject mean? > > Just a recognition of extraordinary prolific participant in comp.lang.ada . Substitute that as an extraordinary waste of time :-). I'll pipe down from now one, I promise. When I started I didn't know, things would develop in such a fashion and I felt somehow obligated to correct misunderstandings about the position I took. After all, if I start wondering about, let's say, GMGPL vs. GPL licensing issues and certain licensing transitions and then get accused (a bit out of context) that I only want to produce "proprietary software" with "other peoples free tools", or not caring for free software, it would look just to bad if I fell silent at exactly that point. > Within an Ada program such a great producer of messages probably deserves > a separate package (child package, of course) for proper encapsulation. :-). Regards -- Markus